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Post subject: Re: Record holder? (Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:25 am) Reply with quote

Rick Covalt wrote:
Lou,

Can we at least get my name published in the record page before we change the rule? This will likely be my only record and it will be a lifetime achievement!!! Very Happy Very Happy

Rick


This scenario is a good reason (in MY mind) NOT to allow the 1/8 mile splits for records.

There is still some room (for now) for people to look through the records, find an "open spot" and make a plan to grab a record. Even if it is short lived.

Pretty much all of the 1/8 mile records would quickly be claimed by the fast 1/4 mile racers as not much more than a "bonus" as they collect all the records.

No offense meant to the fast folks collecting records. I think it's great. However, I always root for the "underdog" and love it when they have success. Even if it is short lived.

I'm still voting "No".



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Post subject: (Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:28 am) Reply with quote

see i hear what you saying but if a guy only has an 1.8 miles to run his car should be tuned for the 1/8 mile....

meaning having the correct gear to still pull thru the lights...



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Post subject: (Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:23 am) Reply with quote

Note that these weights are sitting on the starting line, so driver and fuel included.

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Post subject: rules discussion shift to open topic "Rule changes...&q (Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:32 am) Reply with quote

I recommend that we shift ALL discussion of this topic to the "Rule changes..." post in the main part of this Racing section. There are a lot of double posts and things are getting confusing.

This sticky post about records is supposed to be for posting of records, and direct discussion of actual records.

If I am wrong in my thinking, please advise (esp moderators).

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Post subject: (Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:32 am) Reply with quote

Since I was the one that set the original weight breaks I will tell you how it was done. First the breaks were set to fit the serious slant 6 race cars that were around at that time. A fairly seriously lightened A Body like the Cox Bros, Goodman's, Guzzi's, or my blue Valiant come in at about 2350, A more typical racing A body like Merils, Rodneys, Ron Hambys. Barry Harrisons, Howard Davis', or Mike Jeffrey's are closer to the 2700#. The minimum for A class was set at 2000 because that is the minimum for an NHRA super street car where I hoped more of us would be competing. As far as I know only Dale Rose's car got to 2000 most other A cars are in between but a 2000# doorslammer is certainly possible. I also set the weight breaks with the idea of making the low deck engine competitive at the weight break for the next fastest class. i.e. you could go for the B class record while weighing 2000#. Nobody ever made a serious attempt to take advantage of this but that is also a reason the breaks are 350# apart.

When the D class was added I think the idea was to accomdate later model street cars that come in about that weight. There is no real reason the classes have to be the same distance apart.

If you were going to start with a clean sheet of paper you should probably define the classes on a weight per cubic inch basis like most NHRA classes. Originally the whole national record system was set up to give some recognition to racers who built there cars to go fast and to increase participation. Many racers have traveled to a slant 6 race just to try to set a record. Instead of changing everything around so you can get an easy record why don't you figure out how to set one under the existing system? The current system can accomodate practically anyone, you can always add weight to run in a heavier class like Mark did.



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Post subject: (Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:06 pm) Reply with quote

I thought I posted this in the rules change thread. Musta been sniffin' glue again.

If anyone is technologolically advanced enough please split it into the other thread. Laughing



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Post subject: (Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:50 am) Reply with quote

Team Green wrote:
On the topic of records, how about listing the body style and the location where the record was set like they do in the NHRA?

61-62 Lancers rule!!

Mark


Rick Covalt wrote:
And I'd also like to see the weight of the car as it ran for the record. Just as a reference. No dog either.

Rick


I like these ideas too! Very Happy

When I look through records or who the leaders are in whatever type of racing I always look for the type of car they are running.

For people looking in that aren't already familiar with the main players here I think this would add something.

Just seeing "your car" listed as having a record makes you more interested in it. Wink



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Post subject: Car type and Locations added... (Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:37 pm) Reply with quote

Hey Ryan,

Since a couple people have asked, I went through and added the vehicle types and most locations. Some of the locations I couldn't narrow down exactly because my spreadsheet didn't have all of the dates. I'll go through my SSRNs to add the right locations. No idea of any claimed weights. I assume Seymour has the claimed weights for everyone (?)

Any mistakes or if you know the location for any records, please post here. Thanks! Very Happy

Here are the updated records as of 9/20/11
Also note the added AA Class for any Slant 6 powered vehicle under 2000 lbs.
All records in red are new for 2011

Weight of less than 2000#
Class .......Date.............Driver...................Record..........ET/MPH………….Car……………………Location……………….Weight
Gas Only
AA/G.........................Open Record.............1/4 Mile ET...............
AA/G.........................Open Record.............1/4 MPH...................
AA/G.........................Open Record.............1/8 Mile ET...............
AA/G.........................Open Record.............1/8 MPH...................
Alcohol
AA/A.........................Open Record.............1/4 Mile ET...............
AA/A.........................Open Record.............1/4 MPH...................
AA/A.........................Open Record.............1/8 Mile ET...............
AA/A.........................Open Record.............1/8 MPH...................
Nitrous
AA/N.........................Open Record.............1/4 Mile ET...............
AA/N.........................Open Record.............1/4 MPH...................
AA/N.........................Open Record.............1/8 Mile ET...............
AA/N.........................Open Record.............1/8 MPH...................
Unlimited
AA/S.........................Open Record.............1/4 Mile ET...............
AA/S.........................Open Record.............1/4 MPH...................
AA/S.........................Open Record.............1/8 Mile ET...............
AA/S.........................Open Record.............1/8 MPH...................

Weight of 2000-2349#
Class .......Date.............Driver...................Record..........ET/MPH..........Car……………………Location……………….Weight
Gas Only
A/G......7/16/11.....Mark Etheridge............1/4 Mile ET.....11.436………….’62 Valiant…………Eureka, CA…………….XXXX#
A/G......7/16/11.....Mark Etheridge............1/4 MPH.........115.51MPH…..’62 Valiant………..Eureka, CA……………XXXX#

A/G......10/14/06...Seymour Pederson.......1/8 Mile ET......7.250…………..’62 Valiant…………Piedmont, NC..…XXXX#
A/G......5/8/04.......Dale Rose....................1/8 MPH.........92.632MPH….’?? Arrow…………..Farmington, NC……XXXX#
Alcohol Only
A/A......5/22/11......Will Burns...................1/4 Mile ET.....11.441…………’67 Barracuda……Hagerstown, MD…..2190#
A/A......5/22/11......Will Burns...................1/4 MPH.........117.92MPH….’67 Barracuda…..Hagerstown, MD…..2190#

A/A......10/14/06....Norman Foster.............1/8 Mile ET.....7.355………….’81 Challenger…..Piedmont, NC…..….2300#
A/A......10/14/06....Norman Foster.............1/8 MPH.........92.39MPH……’81 Challenger….Piedmont, NC…..….2300#
Nitrous
A/N......5/19/02......Will Burns...................1/4 Mile ET....10.943………….’67 Barracuda……Columbus, OH……….XXXX#
A/N......5/19/02......Will Burns...................1/4 MPH.........125.53MPH….’67 Barracuda…..Columbus, OH……….XXXX#
A/N......5/8/04........Will Burns...................1/8 Mile ET....7.042……………’67 Barracuda……Farmington, NC…….XXXX#
A/N......5/8/04........Will Burns...................1/8 MPH.........99.752MPH….’67 Barracuda… Farmington, NC…….XXXX#
Unlimited
A/S......4/19/08......Dale Rose....................1/4 Mile ET....10.012…………’?? Arrow…………..Bowling Green, KY…XXXX#
A/S......4/19/08......Dale Rose....................1/4 MPH........132.82MPH….’?? Arrow…………..Bowling Green, KY…XXXX#
A/S......5/8/04........Tom Drake..................1/8 Mile ET....6.102……………’38 Simca…………..Farmington, NC…….2315#
A/S......5/8/04........Tom Drake..................1/8 MPH........109.89MPH…..’38 Simca………….Farmington, NC…….2315#

Weight of 2350 -2699#
Class .......Date.............Driver....................Record.........ET/MPH..........Car…................Location……………….Weight
Gas Only
B/G......9/12/10.....Mark Etheridge............1/4 Mile ET.....11.50……………’62 Valiant………….Sacramento, CA….XXXX#
B/G......7/17/11.....Mark Etheridge............1/4 MPH..........114.860MPH..’62 Valiant………..Eureka, CA……………XXXX#
B/G.....10/14/06....Seymour Pederson.......1/8 Mile ET......7.333…………..’62 Valiant…………Piedmont, NC…..….XXXX#
B/G.....10/14/06....Seymour Pederson.......1/8 MPH..........91.91MPH…….’62 Valiant…………Piedmont, NC…..….XXXX#
Alcohol Only
B/A......9/6/03........Brent Laney................1/4 Mile ET....10.710…………’62 Lancer………….St. Louis, MO…………2445#
B/A......9/6/03........Brent Laney................1/4 MPH........120.81MPH….’62 Lancer………..St. Louis, MO………….2445#
B/A......5/13/06......Ron Hamby.................1/8 Mile ET.....7.600…………..’66 Dart…………….Farmington, NC.......XXXX#
B/A......5/13/06......Ron Hamby.................1/8 MPH.........87.783MPH….’66 Dart…………….Farmington, NC.......XXXX#
Nitrous
B/N.....7/12/08......Doug Dutra..................1/4 Mile ET....12.845………….’62 Lancer…………Samoa, CA…………….XXXX#
B/N.....7/13/08......Doug Dutra..................1/4 MPH.........103.93MPH….’62 Lancer…………Samoa, CA…………….XXXX#
B/N..............................OPEN RECORD......1/8 Mile ET
B/N..............................OPEN RECORD......1/8 MPH
Unlimited
B/S..............................OPEN RECORD......1/4 Mile ET
B/S..............................OPEN RECORD......1/4 MPH
B/S..............................OPEN RECORD......1/8 Mile ET
B/S..............................OPEN RECORD......1/8 MPH

Weight of 2700# - 3199#
Class.......Date..............Driver....................Record.........ET/MPH………….Car……………………Location……………….Weight
Gas Only
C/G.....9/11/11......Mark Ethridge...............1/4 Mile ET....11.921…………’62 Valiant………….Sacramento, CA.……XXXX#
C/G.....9/11/11......Mark Ethridge...............1/4 MPH........109.604MPH..’62 Valiant………..Sacramento, CA.……XXXX#

C/G.....10/14/06....Gary Bruner..................1/8 Mile ET....7.873…………..’64 Valiant…………Piedmont, NC..........XXXX#
C/G.....10/14/06....Gary Bruner..................1/8 MPH........86.77MPH…….’64 Valiant………..Piedmont, NC..........XXXX#
Alcohol Only
C/A.....10/11/09.....Jason Davis..................1/4 Mile ET...11.279………….’74 Dart Sport……Clay City, KY………….XXXX#
C/A.....10/11/09.....Jason Davis..................1/4 MPH.......114.22MPH…..’74 Dart Sport…..Clay City, KY………….XXXX#
C/A..................................OPEN RECORD..1/8 Mile ET
C/A..................................OPEN RECORD..1/8 MPH
Nitrous
C/N......9/10/05......Mike Jeffrey.................1/4 Mile ET....10.542…………’68 Valiant………….St. Louis, MO…………XXXX#
C/N......9/10/05......Mike Jeffrey.................1/4 MPH........125.25MPH….’68 Valiant…………St. Louis, MO…………XXXX#
C/N......8/23/08......Charlie Schmid............1/8 Mile ET.....8.319…………..’66 Barracuda……Knoxville, TN…………3250#
C/N......8/23/08......Charlie Schmid............1/8 MPH.........80.026MPH….’66 Barracuda…..Knoxville, TN…………3250#
Unlimited
C/S......8/22/10......Ryan Peterson.............1/4 Mile ET.....10.910…………’66 Valiant…………Kearney, NE………….XXXX#
C/S......8/22/10......Ryan Peterson.............1/4 MPH.........124.87MPH….’66 Valiant………..Kearney, NE………….XXXX#
C/S...............................OPEN RECORD.....1/8 Mile ET
C/S...............................OPEN RECORD.....1/8 MPH

Weight of 3200# or more
Class.......Date..............Driver....................Record.........ET/MPH………….Car……………………Location……………….Weight
Gas only
D/G.....9/11/11......PJ Jesiolowski...............1/4 Mile ET....14.124…………’72 Demon………..Sacramento, CA…….XXXX#
D/G.....6/4/11........Dennis Schumers.........1/4 MPH.........96.640MPH….’66 Valiant…………Kearney, NE………….XXXX#

D/G..............................OPEN RECORD.....1/8 Mile ET.......
D/G..............................OPEN RECORD.....1/8 MPH..........
Alcohol
D/A..............................OPEN RECORD......1/4 Mile ET.......
D/A..............................OPEN RECORD......1/4 MPH..........
D/A..............................OPEN RECORD......1/8 Mile ET.......
D/A..............................OPEN RECORD......1/8 MPH..........
Nitrous
D/N......5/23/11.....Charlie Schmid.............1/4 Mile ET....13.362………….’66 Barracuda……Hagerstown, MD……3250#
D/N......5/23/11.....Charlie Schmid.............1/4 MPH.........99.65MPH…….’66 Barracuda…..Hagerstown, MD…..3250#

D/N..................................OPEN RECORD.....1/8 Mile ET.......
D/N..................................OPEN RECORD.....1/8 MPH..........
Unlimited
D/S......6/4/11........Lou Madsen.................1/4 Mile ET....14.982…………’68 Dart……………..Kearney, NE…………3410#
D/S......6/4/11........Lou Madsen.................1/4 MPH........95.29MPH…….’68 Dart…………….Kearney, NE…………3410#
D/S......7/23/11......Lou Madsen.................1/8 Mile ET....9.420……………’68 Dart……………..Elk Creek, VA……….3410#
D/S......7/23/11......Lou Madsen.................1/8 MPH........72.50MPH…….’68 Dart…………….Elk Creek, VA………..3410#


Seymour sent me the updated official Slant 6 records. Looks like PJ Jesiolowski took the ET record for D/Gas, and Mark now holds the A,B,C Gas records. The C/Gas record had stood for over 6 years prior. Congratulations to Mark and PJ on the new records. It's great having so many new records being set.



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Post subject: (Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:41 am) Reply with quote

Rob, a big thanks for listing the car and where the record was set. I know it was a lot of trouble and it took you away from your car projects. The weight of the Lancer for the alcohol only B/A record was 2445 lbs.

Thanks again,
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Post subject: (Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:32 am) Reply with quote

Mark, I think that record will stand for a while yet! Great work.

I edited to correct Brent Laney's name spelling, and added my Dart racewt - 3410.

Thanks again, Rob!

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Post subject: (Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:38 am) Reply with quote

It's really my pleasure to do it. It's a way I can contribute.

It doesn't really take me away from my projects. I have a 9-12 hour a day desk job and family commitments that do that. Laughing

I bring my binders with all of my SSRNs and schtuff into the office from time to time and do the research on my lunch break or early morning/late evening when things are more quiet.

I agree with Lou on that record lasting for quite awhile still. Wink



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Post subject: Locations all added / some weights (Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:27 am) Reply with quote

I went through and figured out where all of the records were set. Piedmont must be a fast track and in 2006 they had some good weather! Shocked Very Happy

Seymour said that not all racers claimed an actual weight. Rather they simply said what class they were in. A few people have given me their actual weights. Others may not want that posted perhaps.



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Post subject: (Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:37 am) Reply with quote

The eighth mile records set on 10/4/06 were at Piedment, NC not Farmington.



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Post subject: (Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:17 am) Reply with quote

Exner Geek wrote:
The eighth mile records set on 10/4/06 were at Piedment, NC not Farmington.


I've changed all of the 10/14/06 records from Farmington to Piedmont.



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Post subject: Update...? (Fri May 18, 2012 12:22 pm) Reply with quote

With all of the records set and re-set lately out on the West Coast and at Mo-Kan, could you fellers that keep this data chit chat a bit this weekend at the Mason-Dixon race and let us all know what the latest and greatest is please... Very Happy

(I know you'll be busy racin' and all, but there'll be some bench racin' goin' on too... Wink )



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