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SlantSixDan
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:45 pm)
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| Shrug64 wrote: | | Here is the bracket for my AC. It places the AC above the alternator. |
…I assume you are using one or another driver-side alternator bracket? 'Cause ain't no way you're gonna be able to close the hood if you've got A/C above the alternator on the passenger side._________________ 一期一会
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Danarchy
Turbo Slant 6
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:06 pm)
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the 1964 Dart 270 parts car I just dis-assembled had an A/C bracket with the alternator underneath, but it was on the drivers side. Not sure why the alternator was moved??? It is a very heavy-duty bracket, that mounted through the water pump mounting bolts and braced back to the block.
Did they have factory installed A/C in 1964? If not, this was one of the most professional dealer installs ever!_________________ 
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Shrug64
TBI Slant 6
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Location: Laveen, AZ
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Charrlie_S
SL6 Racer & Moderator
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:38 pm)
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Shrug, I'm confused. The link you posted is the prototype bracket and instalation I did for another member. The pics you posted are not the same bracket. They mount the same way (to the water pump), but my brackets have several improvements, to make for a better install on"A" bodies, and with after market components.
See this thread, with links to pics
http://www.slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47792
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65 Valiant 100 2dr post 170 turbo
66 Cuda 170 nitrous
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Shrug64
TBI Slant 6
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:25 pm)
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| Looked the same to me. It is hard to tell from pictures. When I test fit everything it looked the same to me. That is the bracket I got from Rainbow Air Products.
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1964 1/2 Barracuda
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Shrug64
TBI Slant 6
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:27 pm)
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Oh I also have the extra pulley and rear rod. All that stuff came in the kit.
Well anyway as long as it fits, I will be happy.
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1964 1/2 Barracuda
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fzmax
TBI Slant 6
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:24 pm)
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I've got a 63 Valiant on which I installed A/C. I also got a kit from Rainbow Products, here are some of my thoughts:
A/C rocks even though I have to run it at full blast to remain cool. I plan on tinting the windows and adding insulation this year which will make a big difference, but long rides on the highway with the windows shut when it's 90 out makes it all worth it.
If you already bought your kit from Rainbow, I'm too late. If not look elsewhere. The "kit" (not much more than a box of Chinese parts) comes with the bare minimums you need to get cool.
They use a temperature probe in the evaporator core to cycle the compressor instead of a binary high/low pressure cutoff switch as most OEMs use. When I called to ask what switch I needed to fit I got "I don't know"
The compressor looks like a Sanden, but is a Chinese knock off.
The bracket I got didn't fit correctly. A Mopar alternator wouldn't fit into the width built into the bracket. Plus all the spacers and bolts were missing. Instructions are vague at best and written by someone who doesn't speak English regularly.
The owner of Rainbow is going to send me the missing spacers, bolts and the third vent I ordered that didn't come in the kit soon. Despite numerous calls and messages left a year and a half later and I still don't have any of them.
Although I was ensured my kit was in stock and ready to go, he charged my card and I didn't get the "kit" for two months. It wasn't hot when the kit arrived.
Even if you have the kit, do yourself a favor and buy Charrlie's bracket. The belt will line up perfectly, it fits perfectly, it was designed and built in the US by a Slant enthusiast and I have no doubt you could lift the engine out of the car with it.
Here are some pictures of my install:
HTH, good luck with the install
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SlantSixDan
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(Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:55 pm)
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| fzmax wrote: | | They use a temperature probe in the evaporator core to cycle the compressor instead of a binary high/low pressure cutoff switch as most OEMs use. |
That's two separate components you're talking about there.
The LPCO and HPCO, which may be combined into a binary HLPCO, is not intended as the evaporator temperature control. It's a safety device to cut off power to the compressor if system pressure becomes dangerously high (to risk a hose or gasket failure) or too low (to risk compressor damage from insufficient oil return). The evaporator temperature probe is how virtually all factory and dealer-installed A-body A/C systems controlled evaporator temperature. The only exceptions were '74-'76 factory systems, which used an EPR valve at the low side port of the compressor. I prefer to have an evaporator temperature probe; they're adjustable (one way or another) to tweak system performance to your conditions.
| Quote: | | A Mopar alternator wouldn't fit into the width built into the bracket. |
This still doesn't look right to me. Whoever said it was supposed to? The alternator's over on the other side of the engine. Are you sure this bracket wasn't making provision for a P/S pump or something else other than an alternator?
Definitely agree with avoiding halfassed Chinese products._________________ 一期一会
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fzmax
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(Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:13 am)
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| SlantSixDan wrote: | | That's two separate components you're talking about there. |
I will defer to you there. This was my first A/C install and I learned as I went. The hi/low switch didn't exist and my dog gave me more details about what would fit. She (my dog) is also the one that told me it would cycle the compressor; that lying bitch!
| SlantSixDan wrote: | | A Mopar alternator wouldn't fit into the width built into the bracket. |
I didn't picture the bracket supplied as it was for a V8. It came with the kit that was in stock or I could wait for a slant six bracket. Since I was hot for AC I figured I would make my own until I found Charrlie's on this forum.
This bracket keeps the alternator where it was from the factory on a V8, but the bracket isn't wide enough for a factory alternator.
| SlantSixDan wrote: | | Definitely agree with avoiding halfassed Chinese products. |
Amen to that. If I had to do it all over I would have just sourced the parts I needed and made them fit into a factory airbox. I had to modify this one anyway. Live and learn.
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Charrlie_S
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fzmax
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fzmax
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(Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:08 am)
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| Double post, sorry
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Shrug64
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(Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:45 am)
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Well I do not know about all this stuff.
The compressor is a Sanden or it is an actual forgery. It is in a Sanden box and has a Sanden tag on it.
I put this same kit on my 53 Chevy straight six and it worked fine. Cooled the whole car just fine even here in Phoenix.
The kit I bought for the Barracuda is the large car kit same as my Chevy, and the Barracuda is a much smaller car.
I think it will be just fine.
My next big challenge anyway is the front end. I have never done suspension work before.
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Charrlie_S
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(Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:16 pm)
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| fzmax wrote: | | The brace wasn't in the box. I sent you an email and you sent it out the next day. |
Now I remember. I apologize, again.
Shrug, If it says Sanden, and in a Sanden box, it is probably genuine.
I have used the chinese copys of the Sanden 508 and 709, with zero issues.
Also mock up the mount you bought, and make sure you will not have problems of the fan hitting the front of the compressor, or the fan hitting the radiator. That is a common problem on "A" bodies. My mount is designed to eliminated that ssue.
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1966DartConvertible
EFI Slant 6
Joined: 25 Jul 2010
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Location: Malaysia
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(Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:27 pm)
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Here is mine: (Locally fabricated bracket by a machine shop here)
Hope this gives you an idea how to do yours 
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