|
|
| Author |
Message |
Rex Baker
4 BBL ''Hyper-Pak''
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Posts: 31
Location: Pendleton
|
|
Post subject:
Assembly & Pre-lube
(Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:23 am)
|
 |
|
|
OK, before I put this together, I want to determine my assembly lube.
Is there any reason I can't pre-lube a Slant with my pump, using the oil sender signal orifice, while turning the motor?
What do ya'll do?
Thank you.
_________________
Sport Fury
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Doc
Guru
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 4978
Location: Working in Silicon Valley, USA
|
|
Post subject:
(Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:41 am)
|
|
|
|
I use Isky's assembly lube.
Do you have some kind of special exturnal oil pump that you can use to pressurize the engine prior to start-up?
DD
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Rex Baker
4 BBL ''Hyper-Pak''
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Posts: 31
Location: Pendleton
|
|
Post subject:
(Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:50 am)
|
|
|
|
Yes. Electric pump on a 2 gallon container. I just use a 10 wt. oil & leave the plug out of the pan. Leaves it in the filter but I change the 'initial start-up oil pretty quick. I built several motors that you can't easily lube with the engine pump. Harbor freight probably makes them, by now. You know, the silly part to this is, all those 265's & 283's I built/raced as a kid? Dumped oil in the pan & fired 'em up! 
_________________
Sport Fury
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Rex Baker
4 BBL ''Hyper-Pak''
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Posts: 31
Location: Pendleton
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Doc
Guru
Joined: 14 Oct 2002
Posts: 4978
Location: Working in Silicon Valley, USA
|
|
Post subject:
(Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:29 pm)
|
|
|
|
| Quote: | | ...all those 265's & 283's I built/raced as a kid? Dumped oil in the pan & fired 'em up... |
All the Slants I build / race, I put a little Isky assembly lube in the pump's impeller cavity, pour some oil into the oil filter and pan, fire them up & run them.
DD
|
|
| Back to top |
|
DusterIdiot
Board Sponsor
Joined: 29 Oct 2002
Posts: 7147
Location: Salem, OR
|
|
Post subject:
x2
(Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:00 pm)
|
|
|
|
| Quote: | I use Isky's assembly lube.
|
I just got a jar of this for my last rebuild...I love it, it's just like the old assembly paste that actually will stick to the bearing for a few weeks while you put is all together. The new clear crap in a tube that the local parts stores sell now really does not stay, it eventually puddles in the lowest point and leaks out the bearing clearances....The moly also is added protection just in case.
-D.Idiot
Last edited by DusterIdiot on Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
SlantSixDan
Board Sponsor & Contributor
Joined: 31 Oct 2002
Posts: 21883
Location: North America
|
|
Post subject:
(Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:20 pm)
|
|
|
|
| Rex Baker wrote: | | the silly part to this is, all those 265's & 283's I built/raced as a kid? Dumped oil in the pan & fired 'em up! |
That's how the factory did it with slant-6s, too. They still manage to live to a ripe old age. Your preluber sounds nifty; by all means use it if you'd like, but I don't see the need. Use assembly lube paste when building up the engine, pack the oil pump gerotor cavities with vaseline, pour some oil down the central pipe on the filter mount before installing the filter, shoot a tablespoon or two of oil into each cylinder via the spark plug hole, crank the engine without spark plugs until the oil pressure light goes out, install the spark plugs, and start the engine and you'll be doing a great deal more careful job of pre-lubing than the factory ever did._________________ 一期一会
By birth & parentage: US citizen, 2nd class
By choice: Canadian citizen, 1st class
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
Rug_Trucker
Supercharged
Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 2586
Location: Pertneer Nashville TN
|
|
Post subject:
(Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:43 am)
|
|
|
|
I have seen pieces of machining stuff surface pre lubing. Nice to catch it.
What's wrong with white lithium grease?_________________ '72 Duster 198 stock cam, 3:23's Hookers
'74Fart Dart 
'79 Maxivan 360 Offy Qjet Comp RV cam
93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto  Dually Clubcab
93 Corolla |
|
| Back to top |
|
Rex Baker
4 BBL ''Hyper-Pak''
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Posts: 31
Location: Pendleton
|
|
Post subject:
(Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:43 am)
|
|
|
|
Thank you all for the replies, not anything new/different than I did for years. The nice part about the pre-luber, once you go that way, is it takes minutes, you do it just before you fire and if the motor has sat for a month or 2 (or year) because life or something got in the way, you just use oil to assemble. It's just newer tech and if you got (& it will work) you might as well use it. I'm a little surprised that no one had, was all.
Thanks for tips! 
_________________
Sport Fury
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Dart270
Board Sponsor & Moderator
Joined: 21 Oct 2002
Posts: 9609
Location: Blacksburg, VA
|
|
| Back to top |
|
USAJon
Turbo EFI
Joined: 20 Feb 2008
Posts: 1076
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland U.S.A.
|
|
Post subject:
Fyi
(Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:53 am)
|
|
|
|
back in the day when we built big inch Harley motors we pre lubed anything/everything with white disk brake wheel bearing grease.
them just kick over engine without plugs until the oil returned to the oil tank..never an issue |
|
| Back to top |
|
kielbasa
Turbo Slant 6
Joined: 09 Dec 2010
Posts: 537
Location: Orange County
|
|
Post subject:
(Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:16 pm)
|
|
|
|
| I use my own special mix, Basicly a 50/50 mix of Lucas and brad Penn green oil, the brad pen has been such a good oil to me, and that Lucas sticks to everything. I built a vw engine, let it sit on the shelf for a year and a half, forgot what I had built by the time I had a car to put it in, tore it apart to check, and the lube was still stuck on bearings like they should.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
DonPal
TBI Slant 6
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Posts: 219
Location: Tolland, Ct. 06084
|
|
Post subject:
(Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:38 pm)
|
|
|
|
| Rex Baker wrote: | Thank you all for the replies, not anything new/different than I did for years. The nice part about the pre-luber, once you go that way, is it takes minutes, you do it just before you fire and if the motor has sat for a month or 2 (or year) because life or something got in the way, you just use oil to assemble. It's just newer tech and if you got (& it will work) you might as well use it. I'm a little surprised that no one had, was all.
Thanks for tips! |
I've used your technique for years on everything from flatheads, to slants, to hemi but used a flathead oil pump immersed in a super large coffee can. Using a variable speed drill with a rod attached that has a flattened end to match the oil pump drive point I pump 5 quarts thru the engine with the oil line hooked to where a guage or sending unit would hook up.
I have a guage to insure that the pressure is kept below 40 psi by controlling the drill rpm.
Then after the initial start I use an Accusump to prime the engine before each start each day...only adds about 15 seconds to your start sequence.
If you want info on how to install an Accusump I have 17 pictures for the installation. PM with your email address
_________________
1965 Dart 75k, 225, 1920 holley/alum intake, 2 1/4 single exh., sbp manual scarebird front disc, 7 1/4 rear 2.94 sure grip, 14 x 4.5 OEM wheels, 833 OD with hyd. clutch, HEI, electric fan, ram air/heated air, Accusump. Goal-daily driver with good mpg.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
Rex Baker
4 BBL ''Hyper-Pak''
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Posts: 31
Location: Pendleton
|
|
Post subject:
(Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:50 am)
|
|
|
|
| Pre-lube works fine off sender orifice.
_________________
Sport Fury
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Well, I will give it a shot & report back next week, if I have success. Actually, I guess I'd better report the failure too, if it doesn't work! 
Yes, we were really worried. Once it got pressure and fired, we idled it and drove around the pits for a total of about 40-60 min, then endurance raced it for 14.5 hrs!! It was rock solid and showed no signs of wear/damage. We didn't even change out the break in oil. I think Jason will do that before the next outing... 
See the LeMons thread in "Events" for a writeup on this AMAZINGLY fun weekend...
