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wjajr
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(Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:55 am)
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Anyone want to read a rebuttal to Nanny?_________________ 67' Dart GT Convertible; the old Chrysler Corp.
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SlantSixDan
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(Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:18 pm)
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Anyone want to refrain from namecalling?_________________ 一期一会
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slantfin
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(Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:14 pm)
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It would be great to have a car that you could charge off a home or neighborhood clean energy generator. There's is no incentive for Big Energy to go in that direction, but it will happen eventually._________________ /6 '67 Barracuda convertible, electronic ignition, 4-OD, street cam, SBP KH discs, 3.55 SG 7.25" 1" t-bars. Bilstein.
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wjajr
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(Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:20 pm)
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Dan:
| Quote: | | We humans are not very good at grasping and understanding the effects of our choices on those with whom we share space and resources on this one and only planet. Unfortunately, we tend to hog unless we're not allowed to. "Nanny state" types of complaints in response to these unpleasant but necessary first steps towards relieving a real problem are just as thoughtless, selfish, and narrow-minded today as they were in the 1960s and '70s. |
Bill:
| Quote: | | Anyone want to read a rebuttal to Nanny? |
Dan:
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Lighten up Dan, you used the term: "Nanny state" types of complaints…” The Nanny State is a condition running rampant these days I find intolerable.
I’m still offering a Nanny State rebuttal. But, If rebutting your quasi political statement on the engine page is offensive to you, than don’t bother posting this stuff. Personally I’m sick and tired of government trying to run my life using social engineering by the few for the masses._________________ 67' Dart GT Convertible; the old Chrysler Corp.
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Ceej
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(Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:45 pm)
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Discussing the psychology surrounding resistance to change, and external forces moving industry toward more responsible products is an acceptable topic.
Keep away from a soap box, and we'll be fine. Viewpoint is important, but we'll need to use care in what goes here.
If it gets out of hand, the thread will undergo "changes." 
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Danarchy
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slantvaliant
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:37 am)
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My biggest problem getting a sticker on the '64 is letting the guy drive it for the brake test. I try to explain how the pushbuttons work, and hope that he doesn't expect razor-sharp handling.
In the past few years, the only problems have been wiper blades and a faded tail light._________________ "When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it." - Pointy-haired Boss
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CNC-Dude
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:17 am)
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I guess what really gets me about this whole going "green" thing today is that many auto manufacturers think they have really accomplished something earth shattering everytime a new generation of cars get another 2-3 miles per gallon than the last one.
They really brag about how they are getting an average of 35 miles per gallon or something like its a huge milestone. I guess they have forgotten that the diesel Chevette got over 40 miles per gallon back in the 1970's, and the Volkswagen pickup truck that was produced got as much as 50 miles per gallon according to some of those forums. What would have happened if they had tweaked that technology, instead of trying to invent something 180° totally opposite?
Those cars of the pat were getting that kind of mileage without all the high tech and fancy computer engine management systems that cars have today. There were also gas powered cars back then that got as good or better MPG's than some of the "top" miles per gallon cars today.
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Reed
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:05 am)
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I believe the little old Nash Metros from the 50s got over 50 MPG with their dinky motors and manual transmissions. The diesel technology used in Europe is far better than what we have in the States. The same vehicles are sold in Europe and the States, but the TD tech is only available in Europe. The TD European vehicles get 30-50 MPG while the gasoline powered US version get 20 on a good day. A few years ago i considered getting an old Vanagon and repowering it with a modern Jetta TDI motor. I ended up not doing it, but I read many reports from people who had done the motor swap and they said that even in a big box like a Vanagon they got over 30 MPG with the modern diesel motor.
In my mind the best possible "green" vehicle would be a diesel electric hybrid that used standard lead-acid (or, better yet, nickel-iron "Edison") batteries for driving around town and a small one or two cylinder diesel motor for extended highway driving.
But this whole discussion doesn't address the rude comments from a jerk inspector. There are jerks in every profession, though.
With regards to the "nanny state" issue, Washington State doesn't have safety inspections. While this makes owning an old car cheaper and easier, we also have had a rash of highway accidents involving things like wheels flying off of semis, brake drums disintegrating and hitting other cars on the highway, and other serious vehicular equipment failures that could have been prevented with simple safety inspections. I like living, so I would happily agree to safety inspections on vehicles. I just don't have enough faith that my fellow Washingtonians either know how or have the willpower to maintain their vehicles in a safe manner to make state inspections unnecessary. |
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wjajr
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:16 am)
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| Quote: | | I guess they have forgotten that the diesel Chevette got over 40 miles per gallon back in the 1970's, and the Volkswagen pickup truck that was produced got as much as 50 miles per gallon according to some of those forums |
Not too hard to achieve high mileage numbers with vehicles that weigh in at just over one ton, and are incapable of getting to 60 mph in under 25 seconds with just a driver on board which is pre WWII performance parameters. LOL, maybe not even making it to 60 mph…
This level of performance is unsafe in most of today’s urban traffic, and marginal at best cruising through the boondocks.
I can remember being stuck behind those turtles in long lines of cars waiting to get by them. Remember most of the mid to late seventies cars were so detuned they were not much faster than the Chevette and Rabbit PU, so passing required long open sections of road to get by them… Oh, and the ridiculous mandated national speed limit of 55 mph which was more aggravating than prohibition… It was all very frustrating back then.
The high fuel economy stuff built today is a lot bigger and heavier, full of mandated safety devices, more comfortable, and can get better mileage than that dreadful tinny junk from the seventies._________________ 67' Dart GT Convertible; the old Chrysler Corp.
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slantzilla
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Doc
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Reed
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:13 pm)
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| What is amazing is that the Smart car only gets around 35 MPG. The tradeoff between efficiency and safety isn't worth it in my book. |
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GTS225
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:21 pm)
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| Reed wrote: | | What is amazing is that the Smart car only gets around 35 MPG. The tradeoff between efficiency and safety isn't worth it in my book. |
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Hence one of the biggest reasons so many SUV's and pickups have been sold over the last decade.
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Reed
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(Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:33 pm)
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SUVs aren't inherently safer just because they are big. SUVs have rollover issues, blind spot issues, and aren't always the safer vehicle to be in in a crash.
The Smart car isn't safe because it is like driving around in a soda can. In my view it should be classified as a neighborhood vehicle only and limited to 35 MPH. I can't imagine trying to execute an emergency S turn in a vehicle with a wheelbase that short and track so narrow. Driving on the highway in one of those would be downright terrifying. |
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