Looks like a good list, but dang, those prices are scary! I guess you have to do what you have to do in your situation, though.

Hey Richard,
Fortunately there is a Radio Shack just thirteen miles to the East of here, and they MIGHT just have a Heat Sink and some Heat Sink Paste.

For what should one be asking when attempting to acquire a Heat Sink?

JC

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Hey Mr. JS,
There used to be a really nice Salvage Yard in Livingston, but it disappeared about ten years ago.

Have an interesting anecdote about it: Lorrie's Windshield Wiper Motor became non-functional back in about 1995. It got removed and taken to this VERY nice Salvage Yard in Livingston. Showed the owner the Windshield Wiper Motor, and asked if he perchance had a replacement. He pointed me toward a bin FULL of Windshield Wiper Motors, and told me to see if there was one that would work. Started sorting the units out and came to one that was an EXACT duplicate of the one that had been taken out of Lorrie. Remember, Lorrie is a 1967 Dodge P200 Postal Van. The tag on the EXACT duplicate unit said it was for a 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass!



Well, Lorrie's HEI Ignition System Benefactor has opted for all NEW Parts, and thus the prices on the previously posted list are for NEW Parts.



The $90.00 Distributor on the list is a NOS Electronic Truck Distributor from Ray Orme, who Daniel recommended. One couldn't ask for much better than THAT.

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Inexpensive at twice the price!

Anyway, after looking at the previously posted list, is there anything else that could/should/would be included?

TIA for suggestion and comments.

JC

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Hey Reed,
Is there anything that should be added to the list?



Am going to try to do it as proper&correct as possible.

Wanted to make a bit of further explanation about the bit of fantasy to which you responded with all the bananas.

With all the guessing at what the problem with Lorrie's Ignition System is, and with all the wondrous diagnostic tests that had been proffered, THAT paragraph was kind of an effort to lighten up the discussion and was a variation on the old explanation of why electrical things won't work after they've burned up, because all the "magic smoke" had escaped! Am hoping that it wasn't offensive. It wasn't meant to be.

BTW, there was a really lively discussion going on over at FordMuscle about Lorrie's Ignition System, and when I posted the bit of fantasy, it apparently offended some because only two people have responded to it, and both were kind of "cool" in tenor and tone.

So have taken Lorrie's Distributor apart and have found nothing broken, loose, or amiss anywhere. Nothing was stuck, non-functional, or assembled wrong.

There were a few things that WERE surprising.

One was that as the unit was being inspected, it was turned up side down and a Brass Nut, the same size as the Nut that holds the Condenser to the Points Set dropped out of the Distributor Case. But at no time did THAT Nut impede the workings of the Distributor.

It was probably dropped into the Distributor Case by a USPS Mechanic while doing a Tune-Up, and instead of fishing it back out, he just went ahead and put another Nut on the Points Set and let it go at that.

Another surprise was when the opening and closing of the Points Set was closely observed, it was found that the points were coming open about 1/16 of an inch BEFORE the Rub Block of the Points Set reached the apex of the Hex Cam on the Distributor Shaft Assembly. And it closed about 1/16 of an inch AFTER having passed the apex of the Hex Cam on the Distributor Shaft Assembly. THAT seems to indicate an excessive amount of Dwell. It may be that the Hex Cam is worn, OR that the Rub Block on the Points Set is much too short. Have done a drawing of the set up and will be posting it here a little later with an analysis of the situation.

A third surprise was that the Springs that hold the Centrifugal Weights are not identical. One is a heavier gauge Spring with FEWER coils, and the other is a lighter gauge Spring with MORE coils. The heavier of the two Springs appears to be NEWER than the lighter of the two Springs. But who knows? It MIGHT ought to be THAT way.

The Distributor seems to be in remarkably good condition. The Shaft is not loose in the Bearings. The Gear is not worn. There IS a bit of scattered rust, but nothing that would impede the operation of the Distributor.

Am going to clean it up, lubricate it, and reassemble it. Am then going to install the Points Set and play with the Gap Adjustment to see if the 45 degree Dwell that is specified in the Tune-Up Specifications can be achieved. At this point, am dubious about it. It wouldn't be a problem if the Rub Block were longer. Alas, the Rub Block is what it is.

In the meantime, have been researching the Parts, Prices, and Sources of the equipment necessary to convert Lorrie's Ignition System over to being an HEI Electronic System. Will have THAT information to post here soon, and we'll see if that Caper can get in the works and successfully implemented.

There are some nuances about it that need to be grokked, but the information is available if one but know the right questions to ask.

Anyway, it's raining a nice steady rain here this morning. Not a thunderstorm, but a nice soaking rain that will do the Forest and Thicket some good.

Will keep you updated on developments here.

Hope YOU have a GREAT day.

JC

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Not Reed but will try and answer some of the questoins


Only way to do it, is right the FIRST time.

Was @ a loss for words, I def didnt take it "wrong" just had nothing for a response... ;lol;

I noticed that also...

That is no surprise, as you know how the USPS can be.

Sounds like cam wear but ya know its kind of moot now.

Yes they are supposed to be like that... 1 heavier - 1 lighter

Well as i said all we are waiting on is boxes to start arriving.

Heat sink would be avail @ RS but would be better to wait for other parts to take with so you have more of an idea what is necessary.

Prices seem a little high, 22 bux for that one connector? Course its not my money, nor searching. Would think that connector could be had else where cheaper, and if in a pick a part probably be less than 5 bux... Hope YOU are having a good morning rain or not.. Going to be a hotter one here today tho...

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The folks over at FordMuscle must be a bunch of squares. I have found that slantsix.org has the best bunch of friendly, knowledgeable, and helpful car enthusiasts on the net.

The one large and one small spring in your distributor is normal. If you are so inclined, you can search this site for threads discussing "recurving" the distributor. In those threads you will find the function of the springs explained in great detail and how the big and small springs each work.

I don't know much about points ignition systems, other than how to replace them with electronic ignition. I wonder if the nut you found in the distributor was intermittently shorting something out?

Hey Dusty,
Your input is always appreciated.



That doesn't always happen though.



Hope that was how everyone else took it.



Have always felt VERY comfortable over at FMF.



Could happen to anyone.



Right.



There MUST be a reason. What it would be escapes me though.



Actually, have held off on supplying Lorrie's benefactor of the parts list till am sure that it is complete. THEN we'll be waiting for boxes to start arriving.



Alright.



That particular Connector was listed as being quite rare, thus the price.



Might you be able to find a less expensive source of THAT Connector? Nothing is set in stone at this point.



Actually, it is quite nice here today. Cool, a bit wet, but not indoors.

The morning has been flowing along quite nicely.

Thanks for the comments.

JC

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Hey All,
Just had an E-Mail from Lorrie's HEI Electronic Ignition Conversion benefactor. He allowed as to how ALL of the equipment on the List that was posted here earlier has been ordered and is coming via UPS Ground.

It should all be here in about a week to ten days.



JC

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So now, another "caper" can commence? OH BOY!!!


On Stand-By:

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Hey Dusty,
It's a nice format. Kind of tries to catch the spirit of the game. Some games are played to WIN. Some games are played to keep the game GOING. It's only by continued process that progress is made.



Well, the stuff for Lorrie's HEI Electronic Ignition System has already begun to arrive!

Here on the Bench is Standard Brand LX301 GM Electronic Control Module (ECU) for a Dodge Slant Six Engine's HEI Electronic Ignition System.

Have had word that the NEW, NOS Electronic, Single Pick-Up w/ Vacuum Advance, Slant Six Truck Distributor, is on its way from Ray Orme, and has been estimated that it will be here next Tuesday or Wednesday.

Alas, the NEW HEI Ignition Coil won't ship from SummitRacing (the only source that Lorrie's benefactor found) until July 23, 2012.

Allowing five days for shipping, that puts us right at the end of July before all the components will finally be here. Then there will be some time during which everything is obtained to do the deed. Am still going to have to find an appropriate Heat Sink, but also some Heat Sink Paste. There are also Connectors, Wires, NEW Spark Plug and Ignition Coil Wires to acquire. And then depending on the weather, there will be a longer or shorter assembly, installation, and adjustment period.

After the Assembling, Installing, and Adjusting, comes making it all Function

Will keep you all updated of events along the way.

JC

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Radio shack for the heat sink paste (should be able to be purchased online) and any piece of aluminum from your scrap stash can be used for the heat sink.

There's a Radio Shack in Livingston near the Lowe's.



But wouldn't it be best to have a cast, "finned" piece of Aluminum? May even have a piece like THAT, that came with a wall-mounted, rheostat, dimmer Switch. Seems to me that I remember seeing one of those around here somewhere.

JC

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Sure it would be best, but not necessary. Most any decent sized piece of aluminum will do. The "best" heat sink I suppose would be a true heat sink from the processor of a computer. Radio Shack might have one of those too.

Hey Reed,
Someone recommended that the acquisition of the Heat Sink should be delayed until one has the Unit that goes on the Heat Sink in hand, in order to help make the decision on which Heat Sink to acquire.

Anyway, the components have begun to arrive. More will be here in the coming weeks. Will keep you updated.

JC

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I checked on Radio Shack dot com, and boy has their "hobby" components been cut back. I went thru about 5 pages of heat sinks, and none of them LOOK like they would work, but that being said MOST of them are 'Web-Only' order which tells me that they no longer "stock" the items.Still wouldn't hurt to wander in store and have a look-see, who knows they may have some "OLD STOCK" in their bins. You MIGHT check @ the home improvement center also, there is no telling what you might find to use or can modify for use. The Dimmer you said you think you've seen might also work... This is kinda like one of those things that "its not made for this but it will work" deals...

Hope YOU are having a wonderful morning, overcast and cooler here right now...



PS Looky @ what a DuckDuckGo search turned up... GM HEI Module Heat Sink

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