Hey RT!
E-85 really is a nornets nest to some people. Like it or not it's here, personally I have nothing to gain by it. I've used it, it's worked REAL WELL for me. There is also a lot of misinformation floating around out there about it. In my way of thinking I'd rather make the fuel here in the states, pay an American Farmer to grow the corn than to send my dollars to the mid-east so Abul can buy bombs to kill Americans with.
If you like horsepower like I do, love high compression motors or turboed motors, E-85 is a perfect economical match. Much cheaper than racing gasoline, cheaper than pump gasoline.
If some of you think it's starving people I think you need a reality check. Repressive governments around the world have a lot more to do with it than the acres of animal feed corn grown for E-85. Case in point, the current Burmese govenment. Dave

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I know it is hard, but please keep this thread on track. If you wish to discuss E-85 pro and cons, other then in engines, please take it to the social corner, and try to keep it factual, and not political, even though politics has a lot to do with it. I think you know what I mean.

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Charrlie_S
65 Valiant 100 2dr post 170 turbo
66 Valiant Signet 170 nitrous
64 Valiant Signet
64 Valiant 4dr 170
64 Valiant 4dr 225

I thought you were a corn farmer?

I am wondering if E-85 is here to stay.

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'72 Duster 198 stock cam, 3:23's Hookers on jack stands for 8 years in the driveway
'79 Maxivan 360 Offy Qjet Comp RV cam/rusting in the driveway.
93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto Dually Clubcab needs a injector pump
2005 Golden Couch Buick

Cenex is fortifying their gas with it to raise the octane rating. All I can say is my SL6 will not ping running it no matter how far I crank up the timing. The mileage just gets better, burn outs last longer.......

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Aggressive Ted

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74 Swinger, 9.5 comp 254/.435 lift cam, 904, ram air, electric fans, 2.5" HP2 & FM70 ex, 1920 Holley#56jet, 2.76 8 3/4 Sure-Grip, 26" tires, 25+MPG

I would doubt it. There were 6 alcohol plants scheduled to be built down by my folks. 2 were ready to go into operation and since corn prices were driven up on speculation that the plants would use lots of it, they closed down because they can not afford the corn to make the alcohol.

Corn liquor as a saviour is a pig in a poke.

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Official Cookie and Mater Tormentor.

Now let me say up front I'm aware what I'm about to say is straight out of the High Times/NORML neo-hippie propaganda book BUT a good idea/theory should never be dismissed until/unless EMPIRICALY (dis)proven. Cannabis/Hemp can thoereticaly yield TWO types of combustible fuel.The seeds can be pressed for a high quality oil,for diesel engines and maybe chemicaly altered for a high BTU supplement to "gasahol".The stem pulp,vegatative matter and left-over seed mash can be fermented into alcohol.Now there is still post-ferment organic matter than surely has feedstock or soil composting value and of course the fiber(rope,cloth,laminated boards,etc..) America has millions of acres unused that this hardy plant can thrive and the plant is known to IMPROVE soil quality.And the "drug(THC)" has already been bred out.IIRC,Canadian farmers are already growing cannabis;imagine how much better the U.S.A. seasonal climate would yield and spare wheat and corn crops for food. Warren,free-thinking(temporary)ex-republican

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"Faith in Science"

Dang stoned PDX employees!

Didn't know Canada had legalized growing hemp.

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'72 Duster 198 stock cam, 3:23's Hookers on jack stands for 8 years in the driveway
'79 Maxivan 360 Offy Qjet Comp RV cam/rusting in the driveway.
93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto Dually Clubcab needs a injector pump
2005 Golden Couch Buick

Let say I decide to turbo charge Eileen (see sig below for specs). I am kind of thinking that E85 would be manditory for my current compression ratio. By the way I still have cranking pressures at 200 psi. I am thinking 10 lbs max.
PS. Fulled up with 89 instead of 93. couldn't bear to buy over the $4.00 mark. 87 = $3.89, 89 = $3.98, 93 = $4.15

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67Cuda,FAST EZEFI,340cu,CR=10.25,RollerCam&Rocker (XR268HR,#20-810-9)(#1622-16)(EddyRPM#60779,#7576), (MSD6AL,#6425) A904, GearVendorsOD, 8 1/4,3.55:1, ClassicAir

Turn up the boost and run diesel!!

I love getting 21mpg with my truck! I used 15 gallons this past week for 5 days of driving.

Less $$$ than I spend drivng the van.

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'72 Duster 198 stock cam, 3:23's Hookers on jack stands for 8 years in the driveway
'79 Maxivan 360 Offy Qjet Comp RV cam/rusting in the driveway.
93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto Dually Clubcab needs a injector pump
2005 Golden Couch Buick

Here's a question for all you guys. For once I'll stay on-topic!

If I have a boosted motor, either turbo or blower or whatever, isn't this like effectively running a higher compression ratio? That is to say a n/a motor will draw in air that's at atmospheric pressure - 16lbs. If I'm running 16lbs of boost, isn't that the same as saying I'm actually running at TWICE the stock compression. One bar goes in, I add another bar with the blower and all that air gets compressed by the piston. So my normally 9:1 motor is compressing twice the amount of air, thus it's running at 18:1? Is this a correct way of looking at it?

I say this because perhaps the best way to take advantage of the higher octane of e85 is not to build a motor with 14:1 compression. Perhaps it's better to boost that motor, thus making the motor think it's running higher compression.

As we know, to get the most out of e85, you get stuck with a motor that won't be able to run gasoline. Maybe boost is better, because it's adjustable.

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1965 Valiant wagon Turbo slant (work in progress)
2000 Chevy 155" cargo van - The Abductor
1970 Newport convertible
1996 Buick Roadmaster Wagon
1966 CruiseAire motor home
1990 Toyota 1 ton box truck TURBO slant (scraped)

Correct. I'm doing a turbo engine for this same reasoning.
I am going to shoot for 10:1 static compression though, then just add enough boost to get me around 15-16:1 total.

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Chris'
Autobody
Restoration
Service

Talked with a friend in Florida today who just bought a hydrogen unit to use on his 2006 CTD "Hot Shot" rig! Cost $1200!

He hasn't installed it yet. Suppossed to boost mileage by 10%

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'72 Duster 198 stock cam, 3:23's Hookers on jack stands for 8 years in the driveway
'79 Maxivan 360 Offy Qjet Comp RV cam/rusting in the driveway.
93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto Dually Clubcab needs a injector pump
2005 Golden Couch Buick

What is the Octane equivalent of Hydrogen?

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Ed
64 Valiant 225 / 904 / 42:1 manual steering / 9" drum brakes

Well, just for the record mine is still kicking and loving it. I would not go back to gas for it. I plan to build my new engines to take advantage of the E85. The one I will be putting in soon is going to be at 13.8 to 1 comp for a daily driver.



Jess

Beats the heck out of me!

But I heard the bottom of the ocean is full of it!

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'72 Duster 198 stock cam, 3:23's Hookers on jack stands for 8 years in the driveway
'79 Maxivan 360 Offy Qjet Comp RV cam/rusting in the driveway.
93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto Dually Clubcab needs a injector pump
2005 Golden Couch Buick