Slant Six Forum :: slant6 vs. small block

Hi all,

I was talking to Doc in the pits after that run, and he told me that car didn't have the nitrous hooked up. That makes it all the more impressive.

Good stuff. I got home, and started working on my barracuda immediately.

Greg

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When you are dropping that 360 crate motor into your car, you will need to ask the following questions:

1) How much will it cost to upgrade the brakes?
2) How much will it cost for the new transmission?
3) How much for the upgraded cooling system?
4) How much for an upgraded rear axle?

Yep, yep, yep, and yep. All things that should be added to the price.

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5) How much to install sub-frame connectors to handle the extra torque?

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Depends what kind of restoration you want. If you go with a 318 why do need to upgrade the brakes. A 904 for a 318 is the same price as for a /6
and the Junk yards are full of raditors for 318s the same price as a /6.

C'mon, now that's getting a little carried away. As long as its a hardtop, an A-body shouldn't twist with the torque from a 360 crate motor, let alone a 318. All convertibles need subframe connectors (IMO), but there are plenty of 440 and 383 A- and B-bodies running round without subframe connectors.

FWIW, subframe connecting isn't all that expensive, either. Been there, done that on my '69 'vertible B-body.

A 300 or 380 crate motor will most certainly twist an A-body IF you ever put good enough tires on it to hook it up.

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A 380 *MAYBE*. A 300? I don't think so, unless the unibody is swiss cheesed with rust or something.

I'm talking twist to the point of damaging the body- its a given that connectors will help hook *ANY* car up better at the track. Stiffer is always better.

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A 300 or 380 crate motor will most certainly twist an A-body IF you ever put good enough tires on it to hook it up.

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What 40 year old A-body doesn't have "issues" with rust.

One is a neutral saftey switch, the other is a back up light switch. You can figure it out with a VOM. I forget which is which, as I never hooked up either.

Author:	voiceofstl [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: The 12.40 car at Vegas was not using Nitrous
Depends what kind of restoration you want. If you go with a 318 why do need to upgrade the brakes. A 904 for a 318 is the same price as for a /6 and the Junk yards are full of raditors for 318s the same price as a /6. Quote: Hi all, I was talking to Doc in the pits after that run, and he told me that car didn't have the nitrous hooked up. That makes it all the more impressive. Good stuff. I got home, and started working on my barracuda immediately. Greg

Author:	voiceofstl [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:35 am ]
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Quote: Quote: When you are dropping that 360 crate motor into your car, you will need to ask the following questions: 1) How much will it cost to upgrade the brakes? 2) How much will it cost for the new transmission? 3) How much for the upgraded cooling system? 4) How much for an upgraded rear axle? Yep, yep, yep, and yep. All things that should be added to the price. Quote: 5) How much to install sub-frame connectors to handle the extra torque? ============================================= Depends what kind of restoration you want. If you go with a 318 why do need to upgrade the brakes. A 904 for a 318 is the same price as for a /6 and the Junk yards are full of raditors for 318s the same price as a /6. C'mon, now that's getting a little carried away. As long as its a hardtop, an A-body shouldn't twist with the torque from a 360 crate motor, let alone a 318. All convertibles need subframe connectors (IMO), but there are plenty of 440 and 383 A- and B-bodies running round without subframe connectors. FWIW, subframe connecting isn't all that expensive, either. Been there, done that on my '69 'vertible B-body.

Author:	slantzilla [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:12 pm ]
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A 300 or 380 crate motor will most certainly twist an A-body IF you ever put good enough tires on it to hook it up. My '66 is not tied, and it will probably twist, but I don't really care as the body is crap anyway. I may tie it this year just for grins when I start the 150 shots.

Author:	440_Magnum [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:46 pm ]
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Quote: A 300 or 380 crate motor will most certainly twist an A-body IF you ever put good enough tires on it to hook it up. : A 380 MAYBE. A 300? I don't think so, unless the unibody is swiss cheesed with rust or something. I'm talking twist to the point of damaging the body- its a given that connectors will help hook ANY car up better at the track. Stiffer is always better.

Author:	slantzilla [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:28 pm ]
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Quote: A 380 MAYBE. A 300? I don't think so, unless the unibody is swiss cheesed with rust or something. I'm talking twist to the point of damaging the body- its a given that connectors will help hook ANY car up better at the track. Stiffer is always better. An A-body that is on good tires WILL twist w/o subframe connectors. Been there, done that. Leave them on tires that spin and you will never bend one, even with a Hemi. A good motor will twist one with connectors.

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Author:	kesteb [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:44 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: A 300 or 380 crate motor will most certainly twist an A-body IF you ever put good enough tires on it to hook it up. : A 380 MAYBE. A 300? I don't think so, unless the unibody is swiss cheesed with rust or something. I'm talking twist to the point of damaging the body- its a given that connectors will help hook ANY car up better at the track. Stiffer is always better. What 40 year old A-body doesn't have "issues" with rust. As pointed out, they are cheap insurance.

Author:	440_Magnum [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:53 pm ]
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Quote: What 40 year old A-body doesn't have "issues" with rust. 99.8% of the ones in Texas

Author:	Orange72 [ Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:24 pm ]
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Personally, I've had WAY more rust issues with B-bodies than with any A-body...

Author:	Dartvader [ Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:40 am ]
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I have one of each: a Dart with a fairly potent 360 and one with a turbo slant. There is little doubt that the v-8 is the easier way to go, easier to build power, and smoother, with better low end torque when built for power. It is easier to get parts for the v-8 as well. Not only all that, but once the slant is built, it doesn;t get much better mileage than the 360. That being said, I enjoy the company of, and admire the personalities of the slant guys much more than the v-8 guys. I appologize in advance for any offense dished out to the v-8 crowd. Certainly not all v-8 guys are alike. However, it has my general experience that the slant guys are much more genuinely helpful to each other. There seems to be less chest thumping in their relating to one another. The slant guys are much more resourceful. The slant guys are much more creative than the v-8 guys. You can build a v-8 by following a cook book approach that is readily available, and simply follow the dots, or paint by numbers, so to speak, and the results will be satisfactory every time. The slant however produces more originality from it's crafters. The slant guys have got guts as well. I have had to endure countless proddings by my other hot rod friends who do not understand the appeal of the slant to simply "drop a hemi" in it. That's for a guy with no guts, no imagination, and lots of money. The slant guys seem to be old fashioned car crafters stilll. They don;t simply pay someone else to do it. They get their hands greasy, and their knuckles busted creating their own cars. When you go to a car show these days, if you question the owners about their cars, much of the time the owner did nothing but write checks. Now I'm really going out on a limb with this one. I'll have to put my flack jacket on after the next comment, but it seems that the serious slant guys have a more intellectual attitude towards their cars, and life in general. I have never been impressed by the attitude that thought it was the height of achievement in life to burn a set of tire treads off the back tires while sitting still. I have met more PHD's in the slant crowd. The slant guys want to figure it out themselves. Their cars are part of a larger curiosity about life and the universe, and not simply a way to strut their testosterone around in front of others. The last thing I will say about this is that I have lots of friends with v-8 powered hotrods, whom I admire. It;s just a matter of degree. I would rather spend time with my slant buddies than with the v-8 crowd. I'll get off my soap box now. Vader

Author:	Dennis Weaver [ Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:55 am ]
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Dartvader: VERY well put! I agree with what you said 100% (well except that part about the burnouts... We all gotta "burn" off a little excess testosterone from time to time! ) I own(ed) all kinds too, and it's just like you say: Ease vs. originality (the creative sort, not the "concours" sort). Depends on which you want more. I want it all!!! D/W By the way, I'm helping a friend put a T-5 in his '66 Mustang. What's that switch on top of a '91 Ford T-5 for, any ideas (has a two-wire pigtail attached to it)? The backup light switch is on the side... Is the other some sort of nuetral safety switch? I'm assuming he can remove it and forget it, but we're wondering what it's for. Anybody know?

Author:	Dartvader [ Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:25 am ]
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One is a neutral saftey switch, the other is a back up light switch. You can figure it out with a VOM. I forget which is which, as I never hooked up either. When you get to be my age, there is not much extra testosterone available. I guess I should be a little more understanding of the "younger set" huh? After all is said and done, burnouts are pretty benign. Vader

Author:	Dennis Weaver [ Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:46 pm ]
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Quote: One is a neutral saftey switch, the other is a back up light switch. You can figure it out with a VOM. I forget which is which, as I never hooked up either. Thanks. We're not quite curious enough to wanna buy a '91 Mustang Service Manual! Already found an exploded view that showed the backup light switch, but not the other, so it must be the neutral safety switch. D/W

Author:	Rob Simmons [ Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:02 am ]
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voiceofstl, You'll have to let us all know which way you decide to go with this. I was happy with the swap in my '72 Swinger from 225 to 318. For me it was an easy way to go faster. I really enjoy the Slant 6 thing though. I absolutely agree with the others, it's definitely the people and comraderie that got me hooked on the Slant 6 Racing thing. That, and being different. I'm like Dennis too. I want it all. My '67 Dart GT will someday get that big block put in that's been waiting in storage for the last 12 or so years. Each approach has it's own intended purpose. Keep us posted.

Author:	Jeb [ Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:26 pm ]
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From my experience, a slant draws just as much attention at a car show as a V-8 does. At least it did this weekend.

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Author:	Avenger2040 [ Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Jeb is right.
A good engine work can attract views even if the engine is a Slant, I think this got more merit Â´cause is more difficult to get parts and good job than a V engine.