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| Author: | Sam Powell [ Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:14 pm ] |
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You can take a number 22 hypo needle, put a vacuum tube on the big end and put that tube into the water in a resevoir. Poke the hypo needle through a vacuum tube that is seeing manifold vacuum, and the vacuum of the engine will draw the water into the base of the carb. General rule of thumb is that you should use about one gallon of water for every ten gallons of fuel. You have to play with the needle size, and location to get the proportions right. The other benefit is that this keeps the plugs and combustion chamber clean. I hope some guys here start playing with this idea and come up with something useful. I found a web site several years ago tht showed how to do this DYI injection from a guy in Australia. I think that #22 needle translates into .030",ID. I don't know for sure, but logic would suggest ported vacuum would be the way to go here, as you would not need it at idle. |
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| Author: | Slant n' Rant [ Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:38 pm ] |
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Quote: The lower engine RPM requires a wider throttle opening and the engine no longer is operating on the economical cruise mixture. It has been shown, however, that more of a lean mixture provides better economy than a rich mixture.
Yes, but is it true that a leaner mixture, especially in a lean burn system, would create less torque off the line and produce pinging and undue heat in the head? I would think with an already low ratio differential, that an overweight van would just rev and go nowhere the leaner you go and suffer mechanically. You need juice to pull. Thats why a 1bbl is ludicrus on a slant mule the v8 has far better options for carburation. How many dealers told prospective buyers in the 70's and 80's that the slant would give them better economy over a v8? nonsense! we all know what we're in for but we either like a challange or we live with what we got but as far as fuel economy of the slant is concerned, may god have mercy on our souls. As far as additives, spend your time and money on the obvious first like making sure the air filter is clean and fuel filter, sparkplugs, timing etc. because even if there was a miracle additive, if these things aren,t in order, you wouldn't reap its benifits anyways. If you want to get your hands dirty there is alot of swaps and conversions that will push the envelope a bit if shes a "keeper" |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:39 am ] |
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Aircraft piston engine are commonly operated on the lean side of peak EGT where cylinder head and exhaust gas temperatures actually come down. This is why lean burn engines don't melt down. You can only do this when air/fuel ratios are ballanced between cylinders and the power output is low enough. More manifold pressure, from more lean mixture rather than less rich mixture, means less pumping loss and better economy. A larger engine producing the same power requires less throttle opening and manifold pressure resulting in greater pumping losses. Diesel engines don't have to do work and waste fuel pulling air through a throttle. A diesel engine's economy is not strictly due to it's better thermal efficiency afforded by it's high compression and expansion ratios. If you want to know more there is a lot of info out there. http://www.gami.com/future.html |
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| Author: | mopardon [ Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Lab work re: fuel and oil ads. |
FYI - Both of the aforementioned studies were exhaustively conducted by Consumers Union and published in Reports (available in libs. or by subscription online). The objective, strictly-controlled lube test on NYC taxis in real-world use clearly showed that none of the known adds. reduced friction or sludge. (Ergo, did not increase mpg or reduce wear). CU concluded that they were of no practical benefit based on the analytical results. They also concluded that since the adds did no harm, some owners for uniquely personal reasons (i.e., superstition or quirks) could continue wasting money without concern about detrimental effects. Additionally, no difference was measured btw. cheap oil, so-called paraffin oil, or high-end/synth. oil. If somone just feels better using or the other, or car specs. specify one or the other, use it. As always, the determining factor for friction/wear reduction was strict adherence to a liberal oil/filter change schedule. The periodic fuel mpg tests emphatically demonstrated that no device or technique has ever improved mpg or energy derived, and probably never would. When the scammers intro. new junk, they test it. I would not buy anything until I knew the CR opinion. I hope this helps. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condemner Retards |
Quote: Consumers Union
I have no doubt that CU's mileage-widget and additive tests are more or less passably valid, because the science behind all of these mileage makers is nonexistent at best, fictional at worst. Therefore, even a marginally controlled, semi-methodical, grade-school-basic examination of them will reveal them all to be scams.But, for products based on actual science (appliances, cars, engine oil, pencils and such), Consumers Union is definitely not the reliable, objective, expert source of unbiased information they claim to be. Much of the problem stems from their implicit claim to be so expert in every possible product or service that they can make up their own test protocols and parameters with unquestionable veracity. That is a ludicrous claim on its face, and the results they produce reflect it. Their assertion, for example, that 79¢/qt Gree-Zee engine oil is every bit as good as $6/qt Mobil-1, is flat nonsense to anyone who has even a little bit of actual experience in such matters, or who's ever studied the results of oil tests based on applicable scientific principles rather than CU hype. Oh, sure, the test they concocted makes for good magazine reading (and therefore strong sales). New York taxicabs! ooOOooo! But a scientifically-rigourous test? A valid test for the conclusions asserted? Definitely not. As a consumer, I can say this: After a suspiciously long string of bum steers from Consumer Reports—a couple of cars, a lawnmower, an answering machine, and five or six others—our family quit paying attention to CR's recommendations about fifteen years ago. Immediately, our consumer product and service experiences got very much better. Not only that, but I have direct experience upon which to base this critique of CU's "science": I am an appointed member of the National Academy of Sciences Transportation Research Board Visibility Committee. We are the world's primary consortium and coordination committee for motoring visibility-related research. Two or three years ago, as a part of the NASTRB annual conference, we had a round table on headlamp performance and glare. A Consumers Union associate editor had requested and received permission to sit in, take notes and ask questions. Several of us spent a great deal of time explaining the issues and factors to this guy. We gave him a lot of material to take with him and all of us gave him our cards and welcomed him to contact us with any further questions. The resultant CR article about headlamp seeing and glare was...bizarre. It was as though the guy had attended a wholly different meeting. The article was loaded with gross errors of fact and with unsupportable opinion presented as fact. The "rating system" CR has devised for headlamps has very little relation to the real world, and their suggestions for improved headlamp beams would be laughable if they weren't so pathetically out of touch with the optical and physiological realities involved. It's not just a question of "Dan Stern doesn't agree with Consumer Reports"; it's much more serious than that: Many of their assumptions and recommendations regarding headlamps are just plain nonsense fabricated out of the same whole cloth that allows CR to consider themselves expert in everything from red wine to oil filters to washing machines to insurance policies. And I'm not the only one who's experienced this. I've got engineer friends in the filtration and lubrication and speaker industries, analytical expert friends in the insurance and financial industries, wine-expert friends, etc., and they all have the same experience when CU "rates" their industries' products or services: Fabricated "tests" having little or no basis in fact or sound science, with resultant garbage "ratings" and nonsensical recommendations. It would be easier to stomach if CU didn't constantly crow about how objective they are because their magazine contains no ads. Aside from that being untrue (every issue is a cover-to-cover ad for CU's own products and services), tolerating their monthly BS is made more difficult when even carefully-written, thoroughly-documented objections to their ratings——if they are printed at all——are responded to with smug, smarmy assurances that CU knows best, and anyone who questions them must have unsavoury reasons for doing so. |
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| Author: | 74.swinger [ Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condemner Retards |
Quote: Quote: Consumers Union
I have no doubt that CU's mileage-widget and additive tests are more or less passably valid, because the science behind all of these mileage makers is nonexistent at best, fictional at worst. Therefore, even a marginally controlled, semi-methodical, grade-school-basic examination of them will reveal them all to be scams.But, for products based on actual science (appliances, cars, engine oil, pencils and such), Consumers Union is definitely not the reliable, objective, expert source of unbiased information they claim to be. Much of the problem stems from their implicit claim to be so expert in every possible product or service that they can make up their own test protocols and parameters with unquestionable veracity. That is a ludicrous claim on its face, and the results they produce reflect it. Their assertion, for example, that 79?/qt Gree-Zee engine oil is every bit as good as $6/qt Mobil-1, is flat nonsense to anyone who has even a little bit of actual experience in such matters, or who's ever studied the results of oil tests based on applicable scientific principles rather than CU hype. Oh, sure, the test they concocted makes for good magazine reading (and therefore strong sales). New York taxicabs! ooOOooo! But a scientifically-rigourous test? A valid test for the conclusions asserted? Definitely not. As a consumer, I can say this: After a suspiciously long string of bum steers from Consumer Reports?a couple of cars, a lawnmower, an answering machine, and five or six others?our family quit paying attention to CR's recommendations about fifteen years ago. Immediately, our consumer product and service experiences got very much better. Not only that, but I have direct experience upon which to base this critique of CU's "science": I am an appointed member of the National Academy of Sciences Transportation Research Board Visibility Committee. We are the world's primary consortium and coordination committee for motoring visibility-related research. Two or three years ago, as a part of the NASTRB annual conference, we had a round table on headlamp performance and glare. A Consumers Union associate editor had requested and received permission to sit in, take notes and ask questions. Several of us spent a great deal of time explaining the issues and factors to this guy. We gave him a lot of material to take with him and all of us gave him our cards and welcomed him to contact us with any further questions. The resultant CR article about headlamp seeing and glare was...bizarre. It was as though the guy had attended a wholly different meeting. The article was loaded with gross errors of fact and with unsupportable opinion presented as fact. The "rating system" CR has devised for headlamps has very little relation to the real world, and their suggestions for improved headlamp beams would be laughable if they weren't so pathetically out of touch with the optical and physiological realities involved. It's not just a question of "Dan Stern doesn't agree with Consumer Reports"; it's much more serious than that: Many of their assumptions and recommendations regarding headlamps are just plain nonsense fabricated out of the same whole cloth that allows CR to consider themselves expert in everything from red wine to oil filters to washing machines to insurance policies. And I'm not the only one who's experienced this. I've got engineer friends in the filtration and lubrication and speaker industries, analytical expert friends in the insurance and financial industries, wine-expert friends, etc., and they all have the same experience when CU "rates" their industries' products or services: Fabricated "tests" having little or no basis in fact or sound science, with resultant garbage "ratings" and nonsensical recommendations. It would be easier to stomach if CU didn't constantly crow about how objective they are because their magazine contains no ads. Aside from that being untrue (every issue is a cover-to-cover ad for CU's own products and services), tolerating their monthly BS is made more difficult when even carefully-written, thoroughly-documented objections to their ratings??if they are printed at all??are responded to with smug, smarmy assurances that CU knows best, and anyone who questions them must have unsavoury reasons for doing so. ________ Cheap vaporizers |
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| Author: | Matt Cramer [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Here's an interesting one about water injection... |
The EPA had a report on a water injection system. Seems one guy did manage to get a significant improvement in mileage with it - this appeared on "60 Minutes" - but that was because he had made a lot of other mods to the engine, including running 12.6:1 compression in his Ford Fiesta. And they noted that it had some serious drivability issues. The water injection by itself did nothing. But it seems to make some mods that wouldn't be very practical on the street on their own a bit more workable. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/devices/511804.pdf |
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:18 pm ] |
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Exactly. Water injection is what David Vizzard calls a secondary economy device. Water injection will allow you to raise compression (the real improvement to economy) without detonation and preignition. |
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| Author: | panic [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:22 pm ] |
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I suspect the water is doing something else: filling the cylinder, which increases effective cylinder pressure. That's a huge advantage diesels have over us, no throttle means the cylinder is always full and the get their full static CR all the time. When cruising on part throttle, the cylinder is under high vacuum. Steam is a way to fill more of it without paying. |
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| Author: | ceej [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:12 pm ] |
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I wonder if Bruce Crower's six cycle engine will make better use of H2O... Pretty cool concept. Pun? CJ |
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| Author: | Slant n' Rant [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condemner Retards |
Quote: As a consumer, I can say this: After a suspiciously long string of bum steers from Consumer Reports—a couple of cars, a lawnmower, an answering machine, and five or six others—our family quit paying attention to CR's recommendations . |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condemner Retards |
Quote: I always give epinions.com a look before shopping for tools, appliances, even cars etc. They give unbiased ratings
Glad you have had good success with epinions, but please keep in mind: There is no such a thing as "unbiased ratings".
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| Author: | Joshie225 [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:53 pm ] |
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Quote: I suspect the water is doing something else: filling the cylinder, which increases effective cylinder pressure. That's a huge advantage diesels have over us, no throttle means the cylinder is always full and the get their full static CR all the time. When cruising on part throttle, the cylinder is under high vacuum. Steam is a way to fill more of it without paying.
The water absorbs heat. The gasses in the cylinder are not as hot and cylinder pressure actually goes down. A high compression engine makes more power on high octane fuel than it does on low octane fuel and water. Diesels also don't have the pumping losses of a throttled gasoline engine. |
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| Author: | Slant n' Rant [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Condemner Retards |
Quote: Glad you have had good success with epinions, but please keep in mind: There is no such a thing as "unbiased ratings". |
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