Thank you, SlantSixDan for the Chrysler info. I will gladly spend $45 to learn as much as I can. Greatly appreciated...
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| Author: | smart67 [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Slant Six Engine Color |
Thank you, SlantSixDan for the Chrysler info. I will gladly spend $45 to learn as much as I can. Greatly appreciated...
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| Author: | smart67 [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Slant Six Engine Color |
I know just enough about computers to be dangerous. I want to share pictures with you - but I don't know how. I went to the instructions - but I don't know how to set up a personal website. Help! I just want to be able to show you pictures of my slant six.
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:48 am ] |
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E-mail the pics to me, send them to 62lancer "at" gmail "dot" com , and I'll post 'em in this thread for ya. |
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| Author: | smart67 [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Slant Six Engine Color |
Well thank you! Will do immediately... |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | smart67's engine bay |
  Nice '61 Valiant! That is a similar silver colour to what was used on the Australian-market '61-but-sold-as-'62 RV1 Valiants. I'll be curious to learn which plant built your Valiant (see above for VIN digit decoding). The red oil cap is a bit of an interesting touch; just as most '61 Valiants got red engines, most of them got black oil caps. We can also see the '60-'61 nylon-tubing vacuum advance line and, just barely, the '60-'61 style alternator housing. We also see the '60-'61 170 engine air cleaner, which raises a question. These were originally specced and produced with a round snorkel, flared at the end. Many of them have no such snorkel today. There's no TSB or other factory documentation I've seen (and while I haven't seen all of it, I have seen a great deal of it) regarding deletion of the snorkel, leading me to wonder if it was deleted, or if it was just poorly attached and tended to come off and get lost. If you are after the correct original type positive battery cable, it can be had from Atlas, though as I look now -- caramba! -- I see he's raised his prices significantly. You know the secret trick to taming the '60-'62 A-body's roaring-demon heater, right? After you've selected heat or defog, gently pull the button you've selected back out. This turns off the fan and the forward motion of the car rams plenty of air through. And if you're driving your '60 and '61, add some protection to the main circuit and preferably to the ancillaries as well. A fusible link or thoughtfully-selected time-delay fuse. These cars had almost no circuit protection, which combined with the lax quality control of the day can quickly turn a minor electrical fault into a big disaster. |
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| Author: | smart67 [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Slant Six Engine Color |
Thanks, SlantSixDan, for your thoughts, advice, insight - all of it. Yeah, we got lucky on the '61. It needs cosmetic and some mechanical work. Typical 45 year old car despite the low mileage. The air cleaner snorkel issue is quite interesting. I've seen lots of 1960-62 Valiants. My mother's from long ago never had a snorkel and my dad bought it in 1964. My first car - a '60 Valiant, didn't have the snorkel either. My current '60 Valiant doesn't have a snorkel either. I just bought a '60 Valiant air cleaner from a guy in California that does have the snorkel. I'm going to examine it and share information with you. Jim |
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| Author: | Rug_Trucker [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:57 pm ] |
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I think my 65 383 might be a green. I haven't looked that close in years. I am going to trash the block as it got frozen with water in the jackets. (not my doing) |
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| Author: | Rug_Trucker [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:07 pm ] |
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BTW IIRC Galen really doesn't give a poot about slant or non HP cars. |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant Six Engine Color |
Quote: Typical 45 year old car despite the low mileage.
Well, yeah...we got my '62 Lancer with 20k original miles in 1990. Original parts everywhere, but within a month it needed a complete brake job and a bunch of other seals and gaskets that had perished over the years made themselves apparent...seat foam turned into yellow dust...stuff degrades from nonuse, not just from use!Quote: The air cleaner snorkel issue is quite interesting. I've seen lots of 1960-62 Valiants. My mother's from long ago never had a snorkel and my dad bought it in 1964. My first car - a '60 Valiant, didn't have the snorkel either. My current '60 Valiant doesn't have a snorkel either. I just bought a '60 Valiant air cleaner from a guy in California that does have the snorkel. I'm going to examine it and share information with you.
I look forward to it. The '62s did not use this style of air cleaner; most '62 170s had a shielded open-element unsilenced air cleaner and the 225s had the 11" diameter low-drop silenced unit that would carry on in general use (alternating with the 9" medium-drop silenced unit) until 1969.Remember, those '60-'61 air cleaners need to have the air intake hole (or snorkel) facing across the valve cover, not pointing forward. There was a TSB on this subject, saying, in a nutshell "To cure hesitation when accelerating from part throttle, make sure the snorkel is positioned across the valve cover and not pointing forward". I tried it with a '66-'68 round-snorkel 2bbl air cleaner I had on my '65 when it was equipped with a 2bbl, and sure enough: Snorkel forward = hesitation on part throttle acceleration, snorkel across valve cover = no such hesitation. Regards, DS |
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| Author: | eddeb [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:39 pm ] |
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Interesting I too have a 61, however the engine is orange, is this possible for a 170 or has it been painted, Dan may I also email you pics of the engine, to let me know what isn't correct for the vintage . |
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| Author: | supton [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:50 pm ] |
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SlantSixDan, any idea why the snorkel intake angle matters? Hot air off the radiator? |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:03 pm ] |
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Quote: Interesting I too have a 61, however the engine is orange, is this possible for a 170 or has it been painted, Dan may I also email you pics of the engine, to let me know what isn't correct for the vintage .
The red paint used on most of the early engines varied in its redness/orangeness, but also it tends to fade over the years, creating a sort of orangey appearance. I've found International-Harvester Red farm implement paint to be a really nice, close match for what the red paint was originally intended to look like. Could also be your engine was repainted orange sometime along the line...feel free to send pics and I'll take a look and tell you what I see (which may or may not be anything but an opinion!) 
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:04 pm ] |
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Quote: SlantSixDan, any idea why the snorkel intake angle matters? Hot air off the radiator?
Naw, my guess is the ram air from the forward-facing snorkel + forward motion of the car screws with pressures in the carburetor's venturi when the throttle is opened.
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| Author: | smart67 [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Slant Six Engine Color |
Yeah - I think the air cleaner snorkel should be positioned toward the valve cover. Toward the radiator gets fan blast, which disturbs air flow. It is telling that Chrysler went to a different air cleaner for '62 - better breathing. One down side to the slant six is the exhaust manifold located right under the intake manifold - heat issues. I agree with the statement about red fading to orange. A lot of them look that way. When it comes to oil filler caps - I've seen them red and I've seen them black on original cars. I guess a lot of this color and part issue depended on what was in the supply line at the time. By the way, my red '61 Valiant with the silver green slant six is a Dodge Main car. So is my white '60. I'd like to be able to determine build date. It has the 1960-early '61 alternator, like you mentioned. Purchase date at a Minnesota dealer was May 1, 1961 by a little old lady from Fargo. She owned it until the mid-1970s, then traded it at the Chrysler dealer where she bought it in Ada, MN. The dealer kept it and used it in parades for years to follow. Just kind of a mascot. They sold it to us off EBay. =) |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant Six Engine Color |
Quote: It is telling that Chrysler went to a different air cleaner for '62 - better breathing.
...cheaper manufacture. That '60-'61 air cleaner required a bunch more stamping and assembly steps than any of the '62-'69 cleaners.Quote: One down side to the slant six is the exhaust manifold located right under the intake manifold - heat issues.
Myeh...not a big deal. Any heat issues are quite manageable.Quote: By the way, my red '61 Valiant with the silver green slant six is a Dodge Main car. So is my white '60. I'd like to be able to determine build date.
Post the fender tags! (Good, clear, sharp photos)Quote: It has the 1960-early '61 alternator, like you mentioned.
Don't believe the narrow-fin alternator housing was released until the '62 model year, actually.
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