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Sharp! Love the wheels. See mine here (more topically-specific pics here )

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Have you adjusted the valves yet?

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Dan, wow, that's a clean car. Love the red color and the interior as well.

Mopar_Nocar, I have not adjusted the valves yet. I am actually terrified of adjusting a running engine. I have a Hell of a time adjusting the valves on my Triumph 750 motorcycle engines. And I have to do this a couple of times a year at least.

Oh, and don't throw stones at me here but a MOPAR enthusiast friend of mine swears the valves on a 1973 Dart cannot be adjusted. He owns four really nice cars including a RT Challenger. And he's a talented hotrod mechanic. But again, he swears that valves on the '73 era 225 Slant Six cannot be adjusted.

I read the thread on the site that instructs the adjustment process and even told him about it and he still refuses that my Dart can be adjusted. Anyway, I am willing to try it and invite him over to watch. LOL. But again, I am terrified of sticking a wrench around moving rockers and spitting oil. Do you think I can really do it?

P.S. No one has really chimed in on the Weber carb I thinking about purchasing. I went onto several Jeep forums and lots of people were saying that the Webers are junk. But maybe Webers are just junk when the vehicle they are installed on is jumping bumps and bogging through mud? I just want a solid, reliable carb for everyday driving that doesn't sacrifice performance. And I cannot bring myself to pay $175 to $250 for a remanufactured Holley or Carter from Autozone or Advance Auto Parts when the odds are that the carb will not work properly if not be a dud from the very start. Keep in mind that I once went through two Advance Auto Parts alternators for the Slant Six on my B150 Van in one day before the third one finally worked. True story and changing the alternator in a B150 with Factory AC is not fun. It takes an hour to get the 7 inch mounting bolt out of the tiny clearance. Not to mention fishing the alternator through all of the heater core and cooling hoses. I was not a happy camper after that day and will never buy another remanufactured part from Advance Auto Parts in my life!!! And the weird thing is that I had them test the second alternator in the store before I took it home and once I got it on the engine it was dead! No kidding.


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Unless the motor is a 1981 up hydro motor, not only can they be adjusted they MUST! If it is the original motor and they have not been adjusted in LOOOONG time it will run like poo.

You don't HAVE to adjust the valves runnng, its is just the best way. You can do it with a warm engine and get it pretty darn close by starting on #1 and watching the rockers to get them all TDC in turn. This is probably how you do it on your triumph, if its vintage, right? Someone posted on a thread detailing how this goes....you can even set them cold (I=.012 and E=.022) and it'll run better than no adjustment at all! If I were you, I would set them cold start it up, and go through the running adjustment to familiarize myself with the process, and at the same time, you'd double check the cold adjustment.

On a related side note: A buddy of mine boguht a 66 Dart to turn into a race car. He was ready to pull the /6 out because it wouldn't run but on 3 cylinders. I found 3 pushrods out of place because someone had not adjusted the valves in 4-EVER. We "straightened" the pushrods that were bent and laying about, adjusted the valves (cold) and VOILA its like a sewing machine. Alas, I did not save the car, only postponed the inevitable V8 swap.

Good luck.

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Dan, wow, that's a clean car. Love the red color and the interior as well.
Thanks. As soon as I can get my butt in gear, I'm putting it up for sale...I've pulled it back from the brink of decay, now it's time for another project (or, more realistically, time for me to spend more time on the other projects I've already got on hold!)
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Mopar_Nocar, I have not adjusted the valves yet. I am actually terrified of adjusting a running engine. I have a Hell of a time adjusting the valves on my Triumph 750 motorcycle engines
Doing the valve adjustment on a running slant-6 is a lot easier than monkeying with a motorcycle engine.
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Oh, and don't throw stones at me here but a MOPAR enthusiast friend of mine swears the valves on a 1973 Dart cannot be adjusted. He owns four really nice cars including a RT Challenger. And he's a talented hotrod mechanic. But
...but he doesn't know what he's talking about. The first year for hydraulic lifters on the slant-6 was 1981.
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I read the thread on the site that instructs the adjustment process and even told him about it and he still refuses that my Dart can be adjusted. Anyway, I am willing to try it and invite him over to watch.
Exactly what I was going to suggest. He might learn something.
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LOL. But again, I am terrified of sticking a wrench around moving rockers and spitting oil. Do you think I can really do it?
Put it this way: it's a whole heck of a lot easier than swapping on a non-stock carburettor.
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P.S. No one has really chimed in on the Weber carb I thinking about purchasing. I went onto several Jeep forums and lots of people were saying that the Webers are junk. But maybe Webers are just junk when the vehicle they are installed on is jumping bumps and bogging through mud?
Webers act like junk when they're improperly built up and/or installed and/or configured and/or adjusted.
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I just want a solid, reliable carb for everyday driving that doesn't sacrifice performance. And I cannot bring myself to pay $175 to $250 for a remanufactured Holley or Carter from Autozone or Advance Auto Parts when the odds are that the carb will not work properly if not be a dud from the very start.
You've got the right idea avoiding "remanufactured" junk. The Carter BBD and Holley 2280 are good carburetors when new (or properly rebuilt/refurbished by a knowledgeable, competent individual rather than a factory full of semi-trained slackjawed morons). Once the "remanufacturers" get their hands on a carburetor (...alternator, starter, brake cylinder, whatever), it is toast and dead forever. One option is to buy a new carburetor (I'm soon to have a "sales event" since I have a small shelfload of new carbs, though maybe not soon enough for your project). Another option is the Weber you're looking at adapting. Another option is a Motorcraft #2100, see the links off this post; if this looks to be of interest you may want to talk to this guy — I conversed with him some time back and he seemed quite capable of putting together a package for a slant-6. The application details are quite similar to those of the 232 or 258 AMC Six he markets for; note that his comments about the Carter BBD being junk are correct in the context of the BBDs AMC bought from Carter, which had several problematic design "features" not found in the BBDs Chrysler bought from Carter.

What kind of emission laws do you have to comply with where your car is registered?

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:31 pm 
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I am using a 350 Holley aftermarket carb and the previously mentioned adapter. Works well, hooks up easy. You won't have to butcher any of your kick down stuff and can easily be swapped back to BBD if you get one from dan later.

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Dan. Thanks for the tips my friend. I'll look into it. But hey, how quickly would you be willing to part with one of your carbs? You could be a hero and save me a lot of pain and trouble.

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Mopar_nocar, thanks for your two cents as well.

P.S. Dan, I am in Georgia and there are no emissions restrictions on cars 1982 and back. So I can run whatever I want on my Dart.


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