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Author:  RossKinder [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:49 pm ]
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Mainshaft is input shaft to output shaft (2 pieces).

Countershaft is the other one (not counting the shaft the reverse idler gear is on)
Thanks. Of course I referred to a cluster of gears (maybe glob would have been better since there is such a thing as a cluster gear) and a bearing, instead of to a shaft - because I grabbed these gears and spun them. On most forums I get chewed for not looking up stuff on the internet for myself - altho I do it constantly. I've read so many different names for things on the internet that I need this sort of official definition to unboggle my mind.

Some people have been in "it" long enough to have picked up the right words. Some can afford the antique official books that have the right words. Being involved in _many different_ disciplines - cars, computers, woodworking, metalworking, chemical, medical - I can do neither.

Thanks

RK

PS. Of course it doesn't help that the auto companies work hard at not making official references available if they don't directly help them sell new cars.
Author:  RossKinder [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bad bearing
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Now to find the best kit to put it back in play. I've seen kits from $69 to $229. (Wouldn't buy either if I could help it.)

Thanks

RK
I'm looking at a kit at Brewers - RBK10C. It is right for my bearing retainer (13157) but it lists as being for a different tail cone (mine is 13212, theirs says 99539).

The only one listing my tail cone lists different (smaller) bearing retainers (94796 and 97619).

I've emailed Brewer, but has anyone ever faced and solved this problem?

Thanks

RK
Author:  RossKinder [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Putting back together
When you get a tranny kit, does it show exactly how to put the thrust washers back in?

I lost track of mine.

Thanks

RK
Author:  Joshie225 [ Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:31 pm ]
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The overhaul kit is just parts. You need to follow the 4-speed article and the factory service manual.
Author:  RossKinder [ Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:44 am ]
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The overhaul kit is just parts. You need to follow the 4-speed article and the factory service manual.
The article merely says to put them in.

I have no factory service manual.

Do you know where I can get a diagram of the parts order on the countershaft? Maybe you have a copy of the page of the service manual with that diagram?

Does anybody have a copy of that page? Or any page showing this order?

Thanks

RK
Author:  james longhurst [ Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:45 pm ]
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Ross-
I have a copy of the 1979 FSM which contains 13 pages on this trans. I can scan it for you if you'd like, just be prepared for a huge email attachment. :oops:

-James
Author:  RossKinder [ Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:03 pm ]
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Ross-
I have a copy of the 1979 FSM which contains 13 pages on this trans. I can scan it for you if you'd like, just be prepared for a huge email attachment. :oops:

-James
Thank you very much. PM coming.

RK
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  What's to know?
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Do you know where I can get a diagram of the parts order on the countershaft? Maybe you have a copy of the page of the service manual with that diagram?

If you've taken it out there's no rocket science to the countershaft...the gears are a single machined cluster, inside you will have alternating sets of rollers and washers... the brass thrust washers sit in a spot where the countershaft will go through you can install in the case and stick in place with grease or try to keep them in place on the cluster when you insert it into the case... the picture in the article shows them on the end of the cluster with an arrow tagged Arbor C3938...you won't be using that, you'll be using a chunk of broomstick to hold the bearings in place while you slide the countershaft back into place....the mainshaft has to be installed
first after you drop the countershaft gear cluster into the case...if the countershaft is installed the gears will not clear when inserting the mainshaft cluster... FYI... if you have an aluminum case or aluminum side plate, after years of abuse they tend not to be as flat as they were on factory day so you may end up 'gooping' the sideplate instead of usint the gasket....


-D.Idiot
Author:  RossKinder [ Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What's to know?
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Do you know where I can get a diagram of the parts order on the countershaft? Maybe you have a copy of the page of the service manual with that diagram?

If you've taken it out there's no rocket science to the countershaft...the gears are a single machined cluster, inside you will have alternating sets of rollers and washers... the brass thrust washers sit in a spot where the countershaft will go through

-D.Idiot
Thrust washers and at least two other things besides the roller washers. It seems odd that you poke fun at the idea of putting them in the right order.

RK
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Lol...
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It seems odd that you poke fun at the idea of putting them in the right order.
Not odd at all...you wouldn't believe how many of these things I've seen that were 'rebuilt', or 'just' replaced the bearings...and something was missing...I actually had someone have me call a tranny shop here in town that couldn't get the tranny back together because they had put the countershaft back in and the mainshaft wouldn't "drop in"...

-D.Idiot
Author:  RossKinder [ Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Lol...
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It seems odd that you poke fun at the idea of putting them in the right order.
Not odd at all...you wouldn't believe how many of these things I've seen that were 'rebuilt', or 'just' replaced the bearings...and something was missing...I actually had someone have me call a tranny shop here in town that couldn't get the tranny back together because they had put the countershaft back in and the mainshaft wouldn't "drop in"...

-D.Idiot
OK, I'll concede. <g>

After all this one had had the front bearing replaced and not the rear bearing. I'd think it should be the other way around from an operational point of view. I think someone decided it was too much work to get at the rear bearing.

Sometimes I wonder who changes the diapers on today's "pros." If it ain't on the computer screen they're lost.

Thanks

RK
Author:  RossKinder [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Lol...
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It seems odd that you poke fun at the idea of putting them in the right order.
Not odd at all...you wouldn't believe how many of these things I've seen that were 'rebuilt', or 'just' replaced the bearings...and something was missing...I actually had someone have me call a tranny shop here in town that couldn't get the tranny back together because they had put the countershaft back in and the mainshaft wouldn't "drop in"...

-D.Idiot
Thanks to James Longhurst I finally have the relevant service manual pages. Interestingly the dis-assembly instructions (unlike Mitchell) say to be very careful to keep things in order when you take them off the counter shaft. (I would have anyway but I was occupied on another part at the time.) But they make no provision for the event that your cat jumped into the middle of them and disordered them.

Rk
Author:  james longhurst [ Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:25 pm ]
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Glad I could help. Next time I need my diapers changed I may just call you. :wink:

-James
Author:  RossKinder [ Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:36 am ]
Post subject:  Just a note to say
I just got an email from Brewers about not having an A833 OD installation kit for my combination of casting numbers.

They have put up a new kit for that combination, which I just ordered.

RK
Author:  RossKinder [ Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Pressing bearings
When I removed the old bearings from the A833OD, all it took was a few bumps on a block of wood. This seems "a bit" loose to me.

What are chances when I get the new bearings I'll need to put Loctite between the shaft and the bearings?

Thanks

RK
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