Rapom,

I don't know exactly where I read about the T-5's, but I thought it was in Hot Rod or one of the others that questioned the strength of the T-5 when run hard with slicks. I certainly am not an expert and I would be happy to stand corrected.

Rick

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I would think that the WC T5's would be fine in the application.

probably try to avoid the older NWC design.

Greg

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Then the WC T-5 and the quick time Bellhousing may make for a strong & safe combo to run behind a hot Slant 6. That's good. I stand corrected.

Rick

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Mustang guys run T5s into the 11s and 12s on slicks with heavier cars, so I think we'd be OK for most apps...

Lou

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Yep Just a little floor hacking / Cross member restructuring, and Maybe a wilcap SFI aluminum Flywheel with that Bell and A good nodular iron pressure plate should make this killer.


Greg

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I went to the article I had remembered about the T-5 (It was in Car Craft) and they say that the World Class tranny is only rated at 315 ft lbs. That will be fine for the vast majority of Slant 6 cars, but not all. I also went to a Ford Muscle Forum and most people say that you can not power shift the T-5 unless you enjoy breaking 3rd gear and the cluster gear. They warn against slicks ...etc. Yes there were some who did not have any trouble, but most were not driving them hard on slicks.
I guess my thoughts are this. Some people are going to want to run 12's or faster with a Slant, and they are going to want to run slicks when they race. From what I'm reading the long term prognosis on a T-5 doesn't look that great. If one of these other transmissions turn out to be a near bolt in, and have much greater torque ratings than the T-5, there will be some market for them. The price will keep most Slant 6 people out of that market but I am glad they are building the products anyway. Maybe in 10 years I'll buy a used one for $500

Rick

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Rick-

No tomatoes thrown I have just never heard that about the T-5's,but its good to know. If I were to put a T-5 behind a slant it would be a driver 14-15 sec car with little track time. If I want to run fast on the 1/4 I would go automatic.I have seen too many clutches explode on the slant to ever want to run a manual trans for all out racing.Heck even in my future daily driver build i am going to run an auto,and im the kind of guy that says "manual or nothing" but i love the way the slant/904 mesh,plus i plan on running 15+lbs of boost and hope to get into the 13's.

On the other hand,any new info on the quicktime BH? That might be the fix right there.

If only someone who's been there and done that would write some kind of ARTICLE detailing the entire process for those of us who aren't familiar with manual trannies or good at fabrication, Lou...

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vm

Just last week I had a board member PM me about MORE info on 5 speed swaps.

Its documented in great detail/photos in numerous places on the site......

Passon can make a living selling 4500$ transmissions because people wont do the research to do it themselves.

I regularly get asked for a FULL parts list and MORE photos of my swap.

More photos or detail wont help.....what is needed is the desire to do the swap....and an understanding of how a project evolves. You have to look at your project and ask yourself " What....exactly...is in the way of just bolting this thing in my car?"

Thats what I did over a decade ago ....without any examples to follow, any parts lists or diagrams. It took 2 days and $200 to do it.

Anyone can do the same.

There is no ONE way or correct way to do this.

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Yeah I agree with sandy It's all here, you just have to do it and look around.


Greg

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Not all Wold Class t-5's enjoy the same torque ratings. Tremec makes an upgrade for every application though, and they are not that expensive as Lou pointed out. If you go on line and do a Google search there are lists out there of HP and Torque ratings for all the t-5 years and applications and the same for the Tremec replacement. . It's right there a couple of clicks away.

My t-5 is the weaker of the World Class t-5's. And, so far it has been OK. But, I don't drive it hard. And until now have not had a sure grip rear in it. But, I realized when I put it in that the T-5 would be the weak link in the chain. If and when it goes I will save the $'s for a Tremec. And, I will chose better gear ratios at that time.

I don't remember what Lou's '64 turns in the quarter since he has been racing project V, but I can tell you this, he drove it very hard when I rode with him. And, his t-5 has not given him trouble I am aware of. I think last I heard the 64 was mid to low 14's.

The bottom line is this, if you are thinking 14-15 sec car, which is fun on the street for sure, then the t-5 is ok. After all that, I am glad some one is building a Mopar bolt in 5 speed. I wonder how far away a 6 speed paddle shifted auto is?

Sam

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I sense irritation and frustration from your comments, Sandy. First off, my comment was directed solely at Lou, intended as a friendly chide regarding his promise to write a full article (someday) about his conversion. This had a HUGE impact on my decision to get in on the T-5 bellhousing group-buy. So, who asked you?

Second, I'm not sure if you realize this, but I've been around .org for about ten years, asking questions, posting comments, doing searches and research the whole time. I've even tried to contribute by answering a few of the easier questions now and then. Responding to my post like I'm some newbie looking for a quick, easy set of instructions to drop a 5-spd into my Dart over the weekend with little or no effort is unwarranted.

Third, before even getting involved in the group-buy, I read every single post about the swap I could find, over and over, including yours. I'm well aware that there's probably a hundred posts or so from the 3 or 4 folks who have done this conversion, and scattered over many pages of slantsix.org is enough information for some brave and talented people to successfully complete this project.

But, hard as this might be to believe, I'm STILL not confident enough to just dive in and cut up my upper and lower crossmembers, considering (a) I'm not a fabricator, (b) I'm not a mechanic, (c) I don't know how to weld, and (d), I've never even replaced a clutch, or been inside a bellhousing of a manual trans car. I've read your article, which DID NOT involve the group-buy bellhousing. What's so unreasonable to want ANOTHER person's experience with the swap besides your own? Everything I've read of Lou's has been clear and concise, and I think an article from his perspective would be a huge asset to those of us still considering the upgrade, and could only add to the knowledge of the subject. Now, if Lou has neither the time nor the wherewithal to sit down and write an article and share his personal experience (since every swap is different), that's fine, but I don't think he needs you to defend him.

We're not talking about valve adjustment or bodywork here, where the consequences of failure are negligible. If I go out and cut up structural elements of my car and realize I'm in over my head, I can't take it to the local shop and have my work corrected. We're also not talking about a big bolt brake swap, or something else that's been done thousands of times. Relatively speaking, there's a very small number of people who have done the swap, and collating the scattered info that's out there is difficult.

YES, we who want to do the swap want to take advantage of the hard pioneering work you and the other guys have done. Guilty as charged. It almost seems like this is becoming a subject whereby the T-5 elite are acting like this some kind of rite of passage, saying "figure it out for yourself", "do a search" and "the information is out there", so the men can be separated from the boys. The consequences of failure in this project could mean, literally, the destruction of something of great sentimental value (something YOU can understand, I'm sure). The stakes are MUCH higher than in many other projects, and I'M the one who has to live with the consequences if things go badly, so what's so wrong with trying to get as much information as possible?

If you guys are really getting so sick of seeing these questions about the T-5 swap, may I suggest that you simply ignore them? That's what I do when I see questions I'm tired of. Forums are ALL ABOUT questions, and sometimes the same ones are asked over and over. Get over it, or at least, if you can't say something nice...

I also think that the contention that ANYONE can do this conversion is ridiculous. I'm an amateur illustrator, but I'd never suggest that "anyone can draw". Yes, some things ARE learned from practice and experience, but some folks have talents and skills that make their projects out-of-reach of the average joe. Bet I can draw better than you, even if I stopped now and and you practiced for 40 years. It's been 3 or 4 years since the group-buy, I'm still trying to figure out if this project is one I'm capable of or not. Sandy, the fact that you were able to come up with this swap, figure out how to make it work, and do it all for less than $200 is a testament to your skill, ability, and ingenuity. You're selling yourself short if you think just anyone can do that, for a VARIETY of reasons.

To Lou and everyone who's done this swap BESIDES Sandy, is there a chance that, SOMEDAY, those of us "less talented" folks could get an article describing your (or a collection of everyone's) experiences in one place, maybe with a few pics (BESIDES Sandy's) and/or a pencil sketch of the crossmember mods, rather than folks trying to track down hundreds of individual posts over 10 or 20 threads over the past 10 years? 'Cause if Sandy's response is a reflection of the rest of the T-5 club (and any other .org members), I think I'll just put my bellhousing on Ebay and go an easier route.

Rant over.

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............then you better sell your bell to someone with courage. Pictures and writeups will never replace that.

Its not about talent ....or skills...or equipment...or budget. Its about spending the time and energy to get what you want. Its about taking a risk. Its about making a commitment. ANYONE can do that.

I suggest you buy the Passon conversion.

Im sorry I ruffled your feathers.

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I don't want to join a mud slinging session, but I will agree that both a) there is a lot of information out there in posts and b) that is a rather disparate collection of information.

I have a thread open right now in which I am trying to document as step-by-step as I can the process I am going through with my group-buy bellhousing. It'll most likely be 6 months or so before I finish, since I am constrained by a hobby level budget of time and money. But I am ever so slowly collecting the rest of the parts I need and preparing the swap.

My intent is to have it fairly well described and photographed, to hopefully give an example of the process involved, all in one place. Maybe eventually it can be a sticky/article, and it would be great to include others' swaps as well.

I don't personally think this is a particularly easy swap - it require a handful of custom pieces, plus a mix and match of parts from different era's and brands of cars. But, I think with some direction it is within the realm of a dedicated DIYer with appropriate tools.

But, the short of it - I hope to produce a more or less step-by-step document of the process within the next six months or so, provided life doesn't intervene in any major ways.

Destruction of something of sentimental value is my feet and legs.

No blow proof slant housings out there is there? Gonna need one with a 4 valve head!

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