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Author:	sixinthehead [ Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:32 am ]
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Have you successfully run that fan assembly on anything before? A slight bend/vibration might not show up to the eye but could be torture for the bearings, especially with the little extra leverage of the spacer. In my experience, repeat failures like that usually have an external cause. One defective pump I can see, but three is unlikely. Maybe test run a different fan next time, or go ahead and swap to the electric.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:17 pm ]
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Yes the same set up was run for a while on the same truck a year or so ago. It was Ryan's then and it was only on the road for a couple weeks. It was not run long but it was much longer than the 2-3 hours we are getting! It was taken off the road for other reasons. I had Denny go out this afternoon and removed the tension from both belts. I asked him to try and move the water pump shaft and he said there is no play on the bearings. So that lends itself to the seal issue not a bearing issue from vibration...ect. Quote: One defective pump I can see, but three is unlikely. Possibly, but it can become a lot less unlikely if one company is machining all theses 8 blade impeller pumps? I would normally agree with you, but I'm not sure on this one.

Author:	Badvert65 [ Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:33 am ]
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I hate to ask, but are you certain the fluid is from the weep hole and not leaking from another source (bypass) and just dripping off the engine at the weep hole? (just grasping at straws).

Author:	ProCycle [ Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:49 am ]
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Quote: ...Possibly, but it can become a lot less unlikely if one company is machining all theses 8 blade impeller pumps? ... Maybe the companies making these water pumps are all buying the same faulty seal from a single supplier.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:55 pm ]
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Quote: I hate to ask, but are you certain the fluid is from the weep hole Yes it is easily seen. On the 2nd failure I pumped up the radiator with my pressure tester and it only got to a couple pounds and it started pushing new green fluid right out.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:14 pm ]
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I finally got time to go over to Denny's and pull the 3rd water pump off of the truck. The bearings in the pump are not loose at all.No play is felt! I'll take a picture but I'm not sure what I'm looking at. The "used" water pump I put on the truck is working fine. Who knows for how long! I did remove the clutch fan and installed an old 4 blade fan we had laying around temporarily. I will install an electric fan for a permanent solution. I see nothing that can be causing this other than a seal or seal machining issue. I'd really like to know what it was. And just for info. Joshie mentioned the Airtex water pump being one that had 6 blades, and thus may be a different manufacturer. So I ordered one and guess what? It came in as an 8 blade pump also from Mexico. The same place the last bad pump came from! So who knows.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:38 pm ]
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I was wrong about the 3rd pump. It actually had 6 blades. Still came from Mexico. Here are some pictures. Not sure what I'm looking at?? It did look like the teflon (white ring) and the spring were up on the shaft a little higher than the "used" one I put in. Could that be the problem? Attachment: IMG_2740.JPG [ 50.76 KiB \| Viewed 3647 times ] Attachment: IMG_2741.JPG [ 46.61 KiB \| Viewed 3647 times ] Attachment: IMG_2742.JPG [ 54.68 KiB \| Viewed 3647 times ] Attachment: IMG_2743.JPG [ 53.42 KiB \| Viewed 3647 times ]

Author:	GregCon [ Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:42 pm ]
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I can't see that well enough but it looks like the entire seal has walked up out of the housing, which is what I'd expect. But, I can't see it well enough so I could be wrong.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:07 pm ]
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So does the spring hold tension on the seal?

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GregCon [ Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:40 pm ]

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Re: Water pump failure?

I actually need to shut up because I can't see your pic well enough and I also don't know enough about 225 pumps to start handing out advice. For what it's worth, here is a new 8 blade pump...I think it is a Gates but not sure. The spring, I think, is intended to hold the seal in place. It looks like your top collar is moved toward the impeller more than mine. But that could be a difference in manufacturer, too.

If yours is bad, I'd try taking it apart and looking for where it failed.

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Author:	Joshie225 [ Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:01 pm ]
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I think that seal belongs on the other end of the shaft. It shouldn't be on the impeller end, but the housing end. It's a face seal that is spring loaded against the housing. If you have a press you can take it apart. The 1966 Dart and Coronet manual shows how.

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:13 pm ]
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I am not disassembling the old one. Advance gave me my money back so I didn't want to take it apart. When I dropped it off the Advance counter "kid" said maybe it was a new high performance pump or internal parts. I suggested that a "new" high performance pump still probably should not leak when running. He insisted that he had definitely seen that with high performance pumps! I told him I was pretty sure that the Slant 6 engine was not a performance engine and this pump was probably not a high performance unit. He said, Oh yeah. I didn't bother to blow his mind by telling him my car ran 12.80's and my son's ran 11.000! The next used pump I get I will pull it apart so I can really tell what I am looking at.

Author:	sdh148 [ Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:29 am ]
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Did you ever determine the cause of the repeated water pump failures?

Author:	Rick Covalt [ Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:20 pm ]
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Nope, I pulled a used pump off my back up engine and installed it and it has not given us any problems.

Author:	slantzilla [ Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:04 pm ]
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Real race cars use electric pumps from agricultural sprayers.

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