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Author:  225dart [ Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:27 am ]
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I just cant comment to your reasoning.................

However, i will say you will not always find a gain in an open element, HOWEVER, the engine must be properly tuned and the stock air cleaner assy can not be a restriction (some are obviously more than others.)

example, after my open element/ carb jet tuning on the one barrel, i switched two a super six/header combo. I tuned that carb again (for street driving--not racing). I had a K&N filter in the stock super six air cleaner housing and now at the track it doesnt make any difference if i have the air cleaner on, off or with an open element.

My feelings are this, if your looking for extra performance, give it a try, it cant hurt especially if you dont have alot wraped up into trying it. Not everything one person trys will work for another, every car is a little bit different. Again, i will stick to my basic principles that the more air you have available to an engine to use (be it hot or cold), the better it will perform if it can use it and expel it without restrictions (obviously cold air will usually perform better).

and not to get off topic, but the guy just wanted to know if an air cleaner fit his 2 bbl carb, for more show than go purposes--its his car, let him do what he wants. i dont think he is driving it in 32 degree weather to really worry about heat to the motor.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:38 am ]
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Not everything one person trys will work for another, every car is a little bit different.
But the laws of Physics remain constant.
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the more air you have available to an engine to use (be it hot or cold), the better it will perform
That is not correct, for reasons that have been explained in this and other threads. Nevertheless, some people gotta believe in Santa Claus, some people gotta believe in the Tooth Fairy, some people gotta believe in Slick-50, some people gotta go to church every Sunday and praise the lord, some people gotta get naked and dance around in the woods and make burnt offerings to the tree gods...and some people gotta believe in their own pet theories of how engines work.

So, do what makes you happy!
Author:  225dart [ Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:42 am ]
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the more air you have available to an engine to use (be it hot or cold), the better it will perform
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That is not correct, for reasons that have been explained in this and other threads.
you should really read all of what i said instead of part of it, as the rest of that sentence said "if it can use it and expel it without restrictions (obviously cold air will usually perform better)."

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So, do what makes you happy!
that is the smartest thing i heard yet from this thread

And on that note, i will let this thread go
Author:  Jeb [ Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:23 pm ]
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I only put my open element air cleaner when I go to car shows because it is chrome and matches my valve cover. I run my snorkel air cleaner any other time. Run snorkel cleaner to show, change to open element at show, hide snorkel cleaner under seat, and change back when show is over.
Author:  Avenger2040 [ Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:25 pm ]
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Well I simply don´t care what the anti-open element people say (no offense), but track and street times don´t lie to me, my better times are when I use open element air cleaner instead of stock element.

Also I prefer to make my own air cleaner adpater, mine is made of common metal with a covered and sealed hole for choke to work. Nothing that takes mora than 30 minutes of my life to design, make, paint and apply a good and generous clear coat and enjoy to see my engine with my open element air cleaner.......neat!
Author:  Jeb [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:55 pm ]
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Hey,can I see a picture of your adapter, I might need to copy it since I want to mount a larger air cleaner to my carb. They don't make a 11 inch cleaner that fits a 1 barrel. I currently use a little 3 inch unit that looks kind of dinky.
Author:  225dart [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:36 pm ]
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Just an idea for those who want an open element air filter on a 1 bbl carb, i took a $5 swap meet 14" aircleaner, i took the base and cut most of the air opening "throut" out untill it was just about even with the raised portion (this was a dropped base style filter). I then took a spare 1 bbl base and cut out a portion a little bigger than the opening in the 14" drop base (approx 5.5-6" is about right---yours may vary depending on how you cut both bases.) Then i put the 14" base over the smaller 1 bbl piece, make sure it is all level and even and tack weld the bases in several spots. If your really paranoid about the minute dirt particles getting in (i wasnt), you can use a silicone sealer and run a bead around the seam. I wish i had the base still to post a pic, but i thought i was the only one doing this so i threw it out when i went to the 2 bbl setup. The biggest advantage to making the base this way is that because your using part of the 1 bbl base, it will clear all your carb linkages.

--chad
Author:  Jeb [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:45 pm ]
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I don't plan on using a drop base air cleaner so I don't have to worry about my linkages clearing (I think). Is there any other way to do it without hacking up a good 1 barrel air cleaner.
Author:  225dart [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:54 pm ]
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Well, another idea too is to trim your stock air cleaner back ontill you essentially have an open element air cleaner, but no, i dont know how to do it with out cutting up an air cleaner housing. BTW, and this is just my opinion, 1BBL air cleaners arent exactly hard to come by and most are usually free if you know where to look and are patient. So i personally wouldnt worry about cutting one up.

--chad
Author:  Jeb [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:04 pm ]
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Down here anything to do with slant sixes is very hard to find. It took me forever to find a decent 1-barrel carburetor, and then I had to settle for a POS 1945 when I really wanted a BBS.
Author:  carrigan #3 [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:37 pm ]
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maybe i am as dan said...just another moron believing in santa...
but common knowledge says that the more air you stuff into a cylinder, the higher its performance (i.e. supercharger/turbocharger). ergo the thinking that allowing the engine to suck air from an open element would increase its performance (more air, better performance)
i think we all get the point that cold air is better
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some people gotta go to church every Sunday and praise the lord
that's offensive
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its his car, let him do what he wants
that's the best thing i've ever heard on this whole site....
look how easy it is to get off topic and argue about stupid $hit. answer the person's questions directly- it does much more good than shooting them down.
people are people. and their choices are their own business. people will stick with what works for them. if they want to try something new, give them the advice they ask for, not condescending arguments about what is better. argument is moot unless you experience the results for yourself.
Author:  Reed [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:22 pm ]
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"some people gotta get naked and dance around in the woods and make burnt offerings to the tree gods"

I think we could all do with a little of that right now.

Personally, I prefer the luxury of a heated air intake and a good quality stock air filter. Slant sixes don't flow a whole heck of a lot of air in stock form (roughly 200-300 CFM, depending on what carb you use) and a stock air cleaner will flow plenty. If you wan't more flow just do something like the pre-heated air provision "silenced" air cleaners like what came on 60s a-bodies.
Author:  mrhite65 [ Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:49 pm ]
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Hey Jeb, I had one of those 3 inch chrome air breather's on my 1bbl. I found that an 88 Chevy Berretta air filter will fit it. The air filter has a grove on each end. The top and bottom chorme pieces fit in the groves. I don't know about the cars, but it will fit the trucks. Here is some pics of it. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/658846/2
Author:  Avenger2040 [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:33 pm ]
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Hey Jeb!! here are the pics of my adapter (sorry for the late)

http://www.geocities.com/valkirye.rm/Va ... CT0012.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/valkirye.rm/Va ... CT0013.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/valkirye.rm/Va ... CT0014.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/valkirye.rm/Va ... CT0015.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/valkirye.rm/Va ... CT0016.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/valkirye.rm/Va ... CT0017.JPG
Author:  slantzilla [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:40 pm ]
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The reality is that taking off a normal Slant air cleaner and replacing it with an open element will not lose any power. It also in all probability will not gain any power, but it will not lose. :shock:

On the other hand, putting a closed type air cleaner on my race car will lose a substantial amout of power, not because of engine heat, but because my race car needs more airflow. :shock:

Will a motor with an open air cleaner start, run, and idle perfectly when it is cold out? No, at least not like a newer EFI motor. I used to drive my Valiant when it was below zero with the hood scoop open, headers, and no choke. It would fire right up, and drive normally after a minute or 2 warm-up. :shock:
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