I'm willing to bet that if you put two identical stock Slants on a dyno, one with a tray and one without, you would see little if any difference in power/fuel efficiency at any kind of street RPM.

Also, the Slant is the benchmark of reliability. W/O a tray, scraper or any other thingies.

One must remember that Ma Mopar put a stamped steel tray in all the HP pig blocks. The tray couldn't have cost them more than a dollar to stamp out. If there were any real world street gains there, don't you think ALL pig blocks would have gotten one?

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You're so right. I do not know much about this topic especially with respect to the slant six having owned and modified one and all.

Whoa, Kevin.

Slantzilla's statement was comparing to slant six engine at "street rpm", not two four cyl engine, or a slant to a 2.0. I belive his statement to be true. I also believe a windage tray and/or scraper is beneficial at "elevated rpm", in a slant six.

I have a suggestion, to settle this argument. I have two slant engines on the engine stand (170 and 225) I can have them freshened up and ready to dyno, by the end of January. I will supply the engines, you supply the windage control components (tray/scraper, pan, etc). Whatever parts you wish. You are in Florida, not too far from me. There are several engine Dyno's in our general area. I'm sure we could raise some funds, and do some back to back dyno tests. What do you say. It would give some good info, and settle all the arguments, one way or the other?

PS: I do not know of Mopar ever putting a different capacity oil pump on any slant six engine.

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Charrlie_S
65 Valiant 100 2dr post 170 turbo
66 Valiant Signet 170 nitrous
64 Valiant Signet
64 Valiant 4dr 170
64 Valiant 4dr 225

I would be quick to throw some dollars at that project. I would love to see some hard data.
Frank

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73 Duster - Race Car
66 Dart Wagon - DD
178" FED
82 D150
All Slant powered

Make it happen!

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99 dakota 318 5 speed reg cab picked up 9/09; Trans finally fixed! woohoo!

I hope it happens. I have fond memories of working on the engine and modifying it.

Kevin, I am not asking for any more free parts, you have given me two sets of scrapers. Just want the latest/greatest pieces that you recommend for the tests. They would be returned to you. I am just suggesting this for the benefit of the slant six comunity, since there has been so much posted of late. It would give definative answers, for "our" engine.

So, does this look doable, if we can offset some of the costs of the Dyno time? Which or both of the engines would you like to use.

As for Allpar, there is much info on the site, much posted by individuals, like myself, Dan, posibly you. Most is correct, but not all. I have sent e-mails to Allpar on a couple of occasions, with no result, that I could see.
Allpar is similar to Wikipedia, in their content.

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Charrlie_S
65 Valiant 100 2dr post 170 turbo
66 Valiant Signet 170 nitrous
64 Valiant Signet
64 Valiant 4dr 170
64 Valiant 4dr 225

Sounds interesting. I'm sure if we passed the hat several of us would chip in a few bucks to offset dyno costs in exchange for seeing some good data. Just a thought. Let me know.

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I would be very wary of contributing to a project captained by someone who is so unsure of so many basic slant facts. I see evidence of fabrication of facts to prove a fabricated point.

If I were to contribute to dyno time I would need to know the person in charge could adhere to some data collection guidelines. I would want actual data......about real things; not proving some ridiculous point.

Have you seen anything from Kevin to suggest he could keep it to the point?

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Sandy, point well taken. If guidelines were in place and properly implimented would you be interested in the data? BTW do you guys in the great white north have enough to go boardin' yet?

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66 Lil' Red Piggie Valiant (Mater Crusher) - Thanks Zilla!!!!! 72 Demon (Number 1 Son's)

We all want good data.

My son bought a new sled last week and has been out in the mountains everyday. Today they are playing with a wake skate (think water skiing) that has one of my bindingless rigs on it.

The wife and I have been yard riding with our bindingless rigs and doing a lot of bikeriding in the snow to get ready for our vacation. On the 21st we get a free 3 day at a local back country lodge that is 10 kms from our home....it is also 5500ft higher than home (about 7000 ft) De and I have to load the chopper from the staging area near home.....then fly in on the last load. The lodge is on an 8300 ft mountain . I expect about 5-8 ft of snow by then
. We hike and ride for 2 more days then ride out to the road.....about 4000 ft vertical.

De and I have helped them in numerous ways to get their lodge going....and this is how they reward us!
http://www.valkyradventures.com

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Sandy, and others. If this gets done, I was planing on building the engines, using Kevin supplied "windage" parts, and using an independant semi local Dyno shop. Kevin and I would both observe the pulls and I would make the changes required for comparison.

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65 Valiant 100 2dr post 170 turbo
66 Valiant Signet 170 nitrous
64 Valiant Signet
64 Valiant 4dr 170
64 Valiant 4dr 225

Charlie, thanks for offering to do this! Sandy thanks for the view! Again I would not mind putting a few dollars forth. I spend more on magazines that may contain an arcticle that is decent and that I can learn from. I guess that is one of the things that has attracted me to the slant. I have learned alot (have a long way to go) and it is challenging! I guess if I just wanted to hurry my project along - I could build a small block Chevy. Hell I already have a 302 Ford and tranny that I fell into when I aquired my 46 Ford pickup. Oh well, I enjoy the debate and learning. Thanks, guys.

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Kevin, I have one of your scrapers in my good motor. I have given guesses as to how much it really helps and you told me I was way low. However, you have never provided a single shred of hard data to disprove what I think. You always want to compare apples to oranges, and that just doesn't wash.

I personally feel that given the large mass and low RPM of the rotating assembly oil windup does not have the effect on the crank like it does on a short stroke low weight high rev engine.

Get together with Charlie and prove me full of shyt. It wouldn't be the first time one of my theories was wrong, and probably won't be the last.

In the meantime, when someone poses a question about a Slant, stick to Slant data to answer, not Mercedes, Ford, or Neon.

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Charlie,

I fully acknowledge that you have everything it takes to do an excellent job of this.

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