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Charcoal canaster reinstall....hard starting now!
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Author:  Eric W [ Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Charcoal canaster reinstall....hard starting now!

A few days ago I reinstalled my charcoal canaster. I did this because I got tired of the gas smell from under the hood. :shock: So now, after driving around town some and the freeway, it takes more than usual to start, particularly after setting for more than 5 minutes. (More than usual is longer than a tap on the key it usually takes to start.) When the motor does start, I have to moderately rev it a couple of times so it returns to normal idle. I remember this happing before I removed the canaster...disconnecting the line from the carburetor vent to the canaster corrected hard starting. So, any ideas on how to correct this situation? :? I should mention I did Dan's recommended fuel line over the valve cover conversion, which I did long before I remove the canaster.

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:27 am ]
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Sounds like your canister may not be hooked up all the way correctly, or you may have a faulty/clogged canister. Is this the original item? 2-port or 3-port? And where are the 2 or 3 hoses hooked up?

Author:  Eric W [ Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:30 am ]
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Yes, its the original unit. It actually has 4 ports, and is hooked up properly (its fool proof, as it says on top where the hoses go). There are lines from the fuel tank, carb bowl vent, one going to a T in the PCV hose, and the purge line going to a T in the vacuum advance line. Filter on bottem is new.

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:50 am ]
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OK, next question: Does your vacuum advance port have vacuum at curb idle (hot idle)?

New filter is good -- sounds like canister purge valve may be stuck and/or charcoal granules in canister are no longer doing their job (they don't last forever). Do you have a handheld vacuum pump?

Author:  Eric W [ Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:31 am ]
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No to both questions Dan. I gotta go to work, so I'll check back tonite (another 10+ hour day).

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:09 pm ]
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OK, then get some clean lengths of hose, 'cause your mouth is gonna be your vacuum pump!

First, attach a clean hose to the "BOWL" (or "CARB") port on the canister. Attempt to blow into the other end of that hose. You should be able to do so very freely. If not, there's an obstruction that needs to be cleared, and/or the charcoal granules have settled and need replacement.

Then, attach that hose to the large-diameter "PURGE" port on the canister. Attempt to suck air through the other end of the hose. You should not be able to. Start the engine and run it at a fast enough idle that the vacuum advance port on the carb is providing vacuum. Disconnect and verify vacuum at the purge control valve connection on the canister (the one that's teed into the vacuum advance line), then reconnect it. With the engine still running at the fast idle, again attempt to suck air through the hose you've attached to the large-diameter "PURGE" port on the canister. You should be able to.

Let the engine drop down to regular idle, verify no vacuum at the purge control valve, and repeat the suction test. You should not be able to suck air.

If you get wrong (other) results with any of these tests, you will probably need to put in a replacement canister and/or purge valve. Hard starting is a classic symptom of a dead canister/valve. New ones specifically for old Mopars are N/A, but they are all rather universal as long as the one you use has all the same connections as the one you're replacing. How 'bout a brand new Standard-Hygrade CP1010:

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or CP1019:

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These are both in stock at www.rockauto.com ...

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