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 Post subject: Rear wheel drive
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:34 pm 
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this is a beginner's question, but why do guys who love RWD love RWD?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:47 pm 
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There are good arguments for and against FWD and RWD. A well-designed example of either is better than a poorly-designed example of either. Assuming a well-designed example of both, the meaningful practical differences occur only under such extreme conditions that they generally don't factor into real-world car dynamics.

That being the case, the vast majority of argument you'll hear on the topic is nothing more than bench racing or ignorant babble. Those who argue that FWD is necessarily superior in winter, for example, are generally either admitting they do not know how to drive, or simply parrotting something they read in Consumer Reports. On the other hand, those who argue that RWD is necessarily superior are generally parrotting something they read in Motor Trend or the NASCAR weekly reader.

That's the long way of saying most people don't really have good and valid reasons for preferring the drive wheel arrangement they prefer. Doesn't stop anyone arguing the point, though!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:37 pm 
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Just get 4WD and you can have both............

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:23 pm 
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I can answer from personal experience that FWD stinks when trying to launch a car. That and the torque steer with high horsepower makes it hard to stay in your lane.

I miss RWD. :cry:

That's part of the reason I want to build the Valiant. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:49 am 
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Rwd is perfectly fine for snow and ice if the car's weight is balanced and the tires are decent. Fwd is just more idiot proof than rwd for bad weather. On a front driver mashing the gas won't cause the rear end to slide sideways like it will on rwd car. Awd and 4wd are not the answer either since they only really help to get you moving at 30 mph you aren't going to stop or steer any better on ice with an extra set of drive wheels. The problem with most read drive cars is that they are nose heavy which causes the tail happy oversteer feeling. Get an early a body with a slant and drive in the winter the weight balance makes them easy to handle with very little ballast in them. DionR as far as your torque steer is concerned do you still have a equal lenth driveshaft on the passenger side of your car. Chrysler used equal length shaft to prevent torque steer the funny thing about it is that an unequal length will have less torque steer. I snapped my intermediate shaft in my 88 shelby z some months ago replaced it with a unequal length setup and most of my torque steer went away.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:30 pm 
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DionR as far as your torque steer is concerned do you still have a equal lenth driveshaft on the passenger side of your car. Chrysler used equal length shaft to prevent torque steer the funny thing about it is that an unequal length will have less torque steer. I snapped my intermediate shaft in my 88 shelby z some months ago replaced it with a unequal length setup and most of my torque steer went away.
Yep, still have the stock equal length shafts. It really isn't much of a problem on my car asI am only at 200, but the more the hp, the bigger it gets.

I've heard other people say that an unequal length setup cured torque steer. Seems funny to me.

I know the last couple of high hp Honda's that came through were a real handful and most of the magazines really complained about the ability to change lanes. I wonder what they had.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:21 pm 
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I know that the equal length setup is supposed to prevent torque steer, but it does take hp to turn the intermediate shaft which has a u-joint in it which also takes hp to turn. Try the website for thedriveshaftshop they are in new york state (Islandia I think) they talk about it in detail. As far a high perf hondas it all depends on the vehicle. As far as hondas are concerned the v6 autos are all equal length, but their pass shaft has no u-joint and is very precisely located. The manual trans cars are also generally equal also. The thing is 4 cyl perf hondas don't have any torque. The old b16 civic si had 160 hp but something like 120 lbs at 5000 rpm, the k20 si had the same hp but more torque which is still no way near a bone stock TII. We haven't gotten a new Si yet but it supposed to be up to 200 hp NA with a 2.0L. I drove the s2000 hard once and no torque steer cuz there is no torque they sound like a very pissed off bee hive as you scream to the 8K redline.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:54 pm 
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My mistake, I was referring to the Acura's. Seems like they were over 300 hp and had a tendence to jump lanes when matted.

I always liked the comment "my lugnuts have more torque than your Honda". I agree most Honda's never had the torque to make a difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:22 pm 
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Damn Dan that was a lot of confuion. What the Hell did all that mean.
Thanks Ron Parker.
Ps Most racers prefer rwd cars :D :D










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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:24 pm 
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I can answer from personal experience that FWD stinks when trying to launch a car.
I know some people who are very, very good at it. I'm not one of them, but I do know they exist. It requires different techniques than RWD launching.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:29 pm 
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Doint have any experence with fwd cars but i have seen them be succeful in drag racing . it is the dynamics of a fwd car is more complicated than a rwd car thanks Ron Parker :D











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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 6:02 am 
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Honda makes Acuras it's kinda like comparing lincoln to ford. They are higher priced and generally have more hp. I don't know why anyone would try to change lanes at full throttle which is about the only way to get torque steer. I haven't gotten the chance to beat on any rsx's so I can't say how they respond but the type S has 200 hp and no torque so it shouldn't be a big problem. The TL and RL are both big heavy and v6 with 270 and 300 hp and they don't torque steer even when you try to kill them.


And what the hell is a bagel bamboolzer?


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I don't know why anyone would try to change lanes at full throttle which is about the only way to get torque steer.
Ever get stuck behind a semi on a two lane highway and tried passing?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:56 am 
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I like rear wheel drive because most parts on the engine and transmission are easier to access for maintenance.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:07 am 
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I don´t care, it depends :P

If my old ferd fiesta was rwd, it wouldn´t ever stop spinning, because I could lift the rear of that car, while a friend of mine put on a spare tire...It doesn´t weigh anything.

I like some fwd´s where you can swap in a new clutch disc, without dropping the tranny, done in 15-20 minutes :shock: (some gm, and saab, probably a few others too)

I have had a lot of fun in the snow, with a 70, or 71 cadillac eldorado, and that boat did just fine :D

I prefer rwd anyway :P


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