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Author:  DionR [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Getting a locking gascap off w/o a key (SlantSixDan?)
Found a neat gascap on a '65 Dart in the wrecking yard this afternoon, it's got a cover that swings away to cover the lock and everything, but no key to be found.

Any ideas on how to get it off without destroying it? I figure I can get a drill and drill the cylinder out, but can the cylinder be replaced?

I snagged another cap off the '66 Valiant I found, too.
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:25 pm ]
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Stant's G85 used to be like that before they cheapened it, deleted the swing cover and exposed the lock cylinder, added a bunch of BS warnings about fuel pressure, etc.

I doubt you'll be able to get a replacement cylinder. If you want the cap, best to pick the lock — should be a simple low-security pin-tumbler lock, so a raking technique with something as basic as an unbent large-gauge paperclip, together with a sturdy torsion wrench, ought to make it pretty easy. Then once you've got it, a locksmith can make you new keys.
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Got an old key?
It's funny one of my cars came with one of those locking gas caps, and I still have the little key marked 'gas'... oddly it seems to fit all the locking gas caps at the junkyard and on the street (sure pi$$es people off when you can unlock a locked item)... if you still have one of those old trinkets, you may be in business...


-D.idiot

(On a side note, an old timer at one of the dealerships once told me that mopar only made a fixed set of key patterns for their cars... like 10 tooth patterns... I'm still waiting to pi$$ off some dude with a hemicuda because my Valiant key fits his ride..... :roll: )
Author:  DionR [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Got an old key?
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I doubt you'll be able to get a replacement cylinder.
Figured as such but thought I would ask.
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If you want the cap, best to pick the lock — should be a simple low-security pin-tumbler lock, so a raking technique with something as basic as an unbent large-gauge paperclip, together with a sturdy torsion wrench, ought to make it pretty easy. Then once you've got it, a locksmith can make you new keys.
Torque wrench, like a screwdriver? So, put some torque on the cylinder and rake the tumblers until it turns?

Never picked a lock before, but I am fafamiliarith how they work.
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It's funny one of my cars came with one of those locking gas caps, and I still have the little key marked 'gas'... oddly it seems to fit all the locking gas caps at the junkyard and on the street (sure pi$$es people off when you can unlock a locked item)...
Wanna overnight it to me? :lol:
Author:  SlantSixDan [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:33 pm ]
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DusterIdiot: Six pins each with six possible heights, per lock. So there were six times six times six equals two hundred and sixteen key profiles.

DionR: You've got exactly the right idea. Figuring out the right touch on the rake and the right amount of torque is a little like learning to drive a stick-shift car. You'll fumble and fail until you get it right.
Author:  Slanted Opinion [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:32 am ]
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When I was in high school my buddy drove a 71 Polara, I drove a 74 Valiant.
One day we discovered that our ignition keys interchanged!

For the rest of the year it was always a gamble when the bell rang at the end of the day... would you find your car where you left it, or would it be parked somewhere in town, which meant walking the streets (small town, fortunately) until you found it.

Of course, revenge was sweet the next day.
Author:  dakight [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:40 am ]
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When I was going to college I worked part-time at a Ford store. I had a 69 Dart and the kids at the parts counter also had a 69 Dart. We discovered, quite by accident, that our ignition keys were identical but the trunk keys were different.
Author:  Michael [ Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:01 pm ]
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I had the same problem with a cap just like the one you describe. I was parting out a 66 Dart and when I finished I cut the fill tube in the trunk and used a long screw driver to take the cap apart from behind. It's a real nice cap!
Author:  DionR [ Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:20 am ]
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I had the same problem with a cap just like the one you describe. I was parting out a 66 Dart and when I finished I cut the fill tube in the trunk and used a long screw driver to take the cap apart from behind. It's a real nice cap!
Got it, had to use your method though. Sure hate destroying parts, but I really wanted it.

Now to get it keyed, or find a way to swap the cylinder. Figured out how to remove it, but it would require removing the cover and I don't want to try and figure out how to re-attach it.

Thanks for the help!
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