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Author:  RossKinder [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Shifter handle?
I think this is a Hurst?

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I found the magic eBay words if it is Hurst.

"hurst stick"

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Author:  rock [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  yep, looks like a classic comp plus
yep,

looks like a comp plus. When you adjust the rods be sure to put a pin in the hole that holds all the $#!+ levers in what they call a neutral position. Put your tranny tabs in neutral and match rods to shifter.. From the looks of that one I would dissemble it, clean it and lube it. Easy to do, save a buch of bucks from Hurst doing it.
rock
'64d100
Author:  DionR [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:01 pm ]
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It's a hurst, but not a comp plus. Those had bolts that you adjusted to limit shifter movement forward and back. Looks like a later shifter that takes the slip in handle, rather than the bolt on handle.
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Yep...
That's the stock hurst unit for our cars/trucks/vans...etc...

-D.Idiot
Author:  Greg Ondayko [ Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:02 pm ]
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It's a hurst, but not a comp plus. Those had bolts that you adjusted to limit shifter movement forward and back. Looks like a later shifter that takes the slip in handle, rather than the bolt on handle.

looks like it could be modified to a bolt on handle with a Drill bit and Drill Press.

Greg
Author:  RossKinder [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: yep, looks like a classic comp plus
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yep,

looks like a comp plus. When you adjust the rods be sure to put a pin in the hole that holds all the $#!+ levers in what they call a neutral position.
Hm, I haven't figured out what you're referring to.
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Put your tranny tabs in neutral and match rods to shifter.. From the looks of that one I would dissemble it, clean it and lube it. Easy to do, save a bunch of bucks from Hurst doing it.
rock
'64d100
Right on. I've been cleaning and lubing for 60 years and don't understand people who don't. I know a guy who just destroyed a brand new $180K bulldozer because he was too lazy to grease it.

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Author:  RossKinder [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:51 am ]
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It's a hurst, but not a comp plus. Those had bolts that you adjusted to limit shifter movement forward and back. Looks like a later shifter that takes the slip in handle, rather than the bolt on handle.
You know I hadn't even noticed that those holes didn't go clear through. Yup, there are sort of spring clips at the top - apparently to hold the stick in.

Do you know if the bolt-in sticks will fit the clip-in shifter?

Do you know what shape sticks they had in the /6 Volares this trans came out of? I don't have one to look at. (Actually It just dawned on me the '65 Valiant I'm putting it into might need something else.) Of course I can wait until I get through chopping up this 3-on-the-tree tunnel, etc., to find out what stick I need.

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Author:  RossKinder [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:53 am ]
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Looks like a later shifter ...
Just noticed the significance of this line. WHOOOEEE! I'm wildly modern!!

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Author:  RossKinder [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:58 am ]
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It's a hurst, but not a comp plus. Those had bolts that you adjusted to limit shifter movement forward and back. Looks like a later shifter that takes the slip in handle, rather than the bolt on handle.

looks like it could be modified to a bolt on handle with a Drill bit and Drill Press.

Greg
If it can be done I can do it. But I'm not wild about your words, "looks like..." Is that purely a guess or do you know those "almost" holes to be in the right place.

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Author:  rock [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Ross, DionR has it ....
RossKinder,

DionR has it....I am so used to looking at the "original" Hurst Competition Plus I, too, didn't notice the holes not mating to the standard bolt on shifte handle. I used to end up with wrong parts from meets by assuming too quickly, too.

As to "$#!+" levers....Ihave no idea how that got there! I typing in shift levers. Sounds from the rest of your questions you may be familiar with the Comp Plus and how you pinned the levers at the bottom to set location of those levers relative to tabs on tranny. That is what I was referring to, and the more I look at your pic I don't see the necessary hole to use. I have at least one of the shifters in your pic and never used it because I couldn't figure out how to get the handle out. Course I didn't try too hard because I have 3 or 4 of the Comp Plus and spare shift handles of different curves and lengths, so never had to really use the one like the one in the pic.

I made CD of the steps of dissembly and lubing if you want a copy, and Argentina used the pics to create a Spanish language version you can find with the search. If you have been doing mechanical things 60 years, it will not even be a mild challenge. Just use a flat table top so parts don't fly away.

rock
'64d100
Author:  RossKinder [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ross, DionR has it ....
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RossKinder,

As to "$#!+" levers....Ihave no idea how that got there! I typing in shift levers.
ROTFL! It isn't often I find anyone worse at typing than myself.
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Sounds from the rest of your questions you may be familiar with the Comp Plus and how you pinned the levers at the bottom to set location of those levers relative to tabs on tranny.
Nah, closest I've come to Hurst shifters up to now is walking down a city sidewalk.
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I have at least one of the shifters in your pic and never used it because I couldn't figure out how to get the handle out.
If you're so loaded with shifters you can probably tell me what stick my '65 Valiant will need?
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I made CD of the steps of dissembly and lubing if you want a copy,
If it's one of those that throw parts all over the room I'll probably need one for an orderly re-assembly - even if I take it apart in a plastic bag.
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If you have been doing mechanical things 60 years, it will not even be a mild challenge.
rock
'64d100
My first conversion was turning a little red Radio Flyer into a cab-over truck!

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Author:  Rug_Trucker [ Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:47 am ]
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You can add shift stops to it. I am going to do that on mine.

I watched a guy pull mine apart. It was a PITA to put back together!

A bolt in handle will work. My clips aren't grabbing so I dropped it on the drill press.

I need to make a road trip to Ooltewah when I get the Duster back on the road.
Author:  InThePink [ Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:45 am ]
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Ross,

That is a Hurst shifter, into which a bayonet (sometimes called "push-in") type shifter stick fits, rather than the bolt-on style. Factory F-bodies used both Hurst and Inland shifters and neither has parts that will interchange with the other, so I suggest you buy a Hurst.

F-bodies came with two different sytles of shifter sticks:

Inland:

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Hurst:

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Again, they will not interchange, though both are bayonet style. I drilled two holes in my Inland shifter stick and bolted it to a Hurst Indy 4-speed Universal shifter (slightly modified) in my '77 Aspen, and it works fine. You wil need a drill press to drill the holes, though. A hand drill won't cut it.

That said, if you're looking for an O.D. version of the A-833 for behind your slant and it's going in an early Valiant, don't get married to an F-body setup. If I were in your shoes, I would look for an A-body 4-speed Hurst shifter stick. www.brewersperformance.com carries refurbished sticks, but they aren't cheap. Only originals are available- no reproductions. See here: http://brewersperformance.com/products.asp?id=110

You can use any Hurst shifter body from any '75-'86 O.D. A-833- truck, van , A- or F-body- doesn't matter. You will need the A-body shifter rods (F-body might work) to clear your crossmember, though.

You might also try posting at http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/ , too, and ask what others have done. I think there are a few early Valiant 4-speed swappers over there.
Author:  RossKinder [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:09 am ]
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You can add shift stops to it. I am going to do that on mine.

I watched a guy pull mine apart. It was a PITA to put back together!

A bolt in handle will work. My clips aren't grabbing so I dropped it on the drill press.

I need to make a road trip to Ooltewah when I get the Duster back on the road.
Yeah, they had a lot of cars in at the Ooltewah Sonic a few weeks ago.

I need to make a trip to Nashville to visit my sister if I ever get some decent wheels together - and enough gas money.

Do you ever get into Murfreesboro? I've been at the VA campus (on medical business) several times when they had drive ins there.

BTW, have you ever gone out to Pull-A-Part? They had a Valiant out there I wanted to check out but they seem to be extremely anxious to get rid of old cars quickly. They crush them as fast as they possibly can. At least Mopars.

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Author:  RossKinder [ Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:28 am ]
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That said, if you're looking for an O.D. version of the A-833 for behind your slant and it's going in an early Valiant, don't get married to an F-body setup. If I were in your shoes, I would look for an A-body 4-speed Hurst shifter stick.
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here. I have a '76 Volare A833 OD now with the shifter I pictured. I guess that's F body. But maybe you're talking about the stick itself.
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You can use any Hurst shifter body from any '75-'86 O.D. A-833- truck, van , A- or F-body- doesn't matter. You will need the A-body shifter rods (F-body might work) to clear your crossmember, though.
At this point I'd just about make my OWN crossmember!!
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You might also try posting at http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/ , too, and ask what others have done. I think there are a few early Valiant 4-speed swappers over there.
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