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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 12:43 pm 
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This might be an old subject and if so I apologize.
Has anyone tried these rotors?
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 3:16 pm 
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What do you do for a hub?

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:10 pm 
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You have to reuse your old ones.No one makes the hubs. 50 bux for a set of KH rotors??? Might have to look into them.Most likely foreign junk,but cheap! I like the Summit racing brand rotors with the slots and dimples(not drilled!) But I like a bit more brake than most use.


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Part# 121.63005 mentioned in the auction makes it a Centric brand standard version (vs premium, whatever that means) as per this thread.


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Too bad the guy never posted what he thought.

On a side note. I always hear people say how expensive the KH setup is to maintain; not in my experience. Especially now with these cheapie rotors. If you have the moxy to rebuild the calipers yourself,they are about as cheap as the one piston set up,but you get 4 pistons! Once you get the stainless sleeves,they make for an awesome brake set-up.Especially for pieces from the 60's!


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You will go through rotors quicker since they can only be cut 0.020 or 0.030 I believe. The 4 pistons you do get are smaller, haven't really measured to do a surface area comparison. Since the caliper is immobile you don't have problems with it sticking, however these pistons seem to be more affected by rust/water issues. If you had to buy off the shelf, the calipers are more expensive as well.

Rockauto and kragen don't list the rotors all together so they aren't easy to find pieces but clearly still available. I wonder if Centric is the only one that makes them now? May not matter wether you like them or not if its your only choice.

However, the hubs are made of unobtanium.

Lets put it this way, even mopar moved away from the setup decades ago instead of redoing it to match BBP.


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Rust and water are not an issue with the stainless sleeves I mentioned. I dont go through rotors any quicker than any of my friends with the 1 piston set up.There are a few companies that make them. Did you not read my post above? I run(or did run,on my last KH car) the summit racing rotors.VERY nice pieces.

The reason mopar went away from the 4 piston design was pure cost IMHO.Had nothing to do with the KH being inferior.In fact, when I would road race with my dart,my KH would outperform any one piston set up out there,even the 11.75 cop rotor set-up.Had a buddy with a 66 Barracuda(lighter than my car) with the 11.75 drive my car a couple of laps around the track,and he was blown away.Three weeks later we swapped my spare set of KH on his car and he still runs it that way.The 4 pistons may be smaller,but you have 4 not one. Makes for a more equal pad contact when all is in working order.

The only real problems in my mind,would be no aftermarket hubs,and stuck with the SBP. But, a few companies are starting to offer a good selection of wheels in SBP now,even up to 18".I like my SBP wheels,so it does not really bother me.


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Lets put it this way, even mopar moved away from the setup decades ago instead of redoing it to match BBP.
True enough, but Chrysler also discontinued the slant-6 engine. I don't see us all rabidly discarding our slant-6s for that reason…so I'm not sure this is a very sturdy argument against the 4-piston disc brakes.

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I hear ya Dan, but how long did they use the 4 piston setup vs the slant? Less then a decade vs what, almost 3?

Unless you live within driving distance of Summit, I'm not sure how convenient that would be. I wonder who Summit's OEM is anyways? The later rotors are a local parts store away in a variety of brands.

I run the KH setup now myself. I'm not saying it's a piss poor choice. It has served me well. However, I'm currently gathering the parts to rebuild the front end and convert everything to BBP at the same time. I just wish I went this route the first time around when converting from the stock drums.

Which caliper was your friend using on the 11.75" rotor? There are at least 3.

The Green Brick and other road racers use the 11.75" setup.


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3 STOCK caliper choices? I did not know. I thought a single piston was a single piston. If you are talking about the viper calipers and such-that is not apples to apples.Also its a 4 piston design aswell. The setup I am talking about is the stock single piston mounted on the 11.75 rotor.

As far as living driving distance from summit.I dont see why you would need to.I dont and I never had a problem.Usually rotors are not something that goes bad and needs to be replaced that day,and summit can overnight ship.

I like the mopar brakes,single pistons included.But when its MY choice to pick a STOCK set up 9 times out of 10 its going to be the KH,unless I am already running BBP.If you want to get serious about your brakes,I would skip the 11.75 single set up in favor of the viper calipers. arengineering.com offers a kit that bolts a 13 in. rotor to your stock 10 in. drum suspension,with the viper caliper.This will be lightyears ahead of a stock set up. My .02 :D


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Yep, 3 STOCK choices. There is the pin type and slider type. In slider there is the slightly smaller A body unit, then the bigger car one. From what I have read, the slider type gives the best pedal feel. There may be 4, not sure if there is a "small" and "big" pin type.

You can mix and match rotor size (stock 10.87 vs 11.75") with all the calipers as long as you keep the right bracket with the caliper.

I'm aware of the AREngineering kits. The mastermind of those, Andy, is actually a board member here. This is a street car daily commuter. The 11.75" is overkill as it is. I can't justify 17" tires/wheels and a 13" rotor + viper kit. I'll stick to the large sliding caliper now, then maybe the viper caliper on 11.75" rotor later down the road if I feel like toying with brakes again.


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I hear ya Dan, but how long did they use the 4 piston setup vs the slant? Less then a decade vs what, almost 3?
Well, sure, but again I say: What's yer point? We're all driving around in/on/with stuff they quit making. :lol:
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Yep, 3 STOCK choices. There is the pin type and slider type. In slider there is the slightly smaller A body unit, then the bigger car one. From what I have read, the slider type gives the best pedal feel. There may be 4, not sure if there is a "small" and "big" pin type.
Yup, and there are some subvariants, too. I can't find my copy of Pigdoc's A-body disc brake parts guide; I'll ask him for a new copy and post here if he says okeh.

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Thanks for the lesson on single piston calipers.I remember the pin type and slider type now that you mention it.

I dont remember which type my friend with the 66 Barracuda had.So maybe some are better than most :)


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