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| Author: | slantsixlancer [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | pain in the neck |
I have an early a body (lancer) Every time I get gas its a battle to keep from spilling gas out before the nossle clicks off. i am thinking of moving the fill location but would like to hear any alt. options first |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:40 am ] |
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That's been a problem on the A-bodies right from the day the first '60 Valiant shipped. Despite loud protests about it in many road tests and owner surveys of the day, the problem wasn't fixed with the total '63 redesign, and even the '67 total redesign made things only slightly better. Solutions range from inexpensive resignation (a stainless steel drip guard that deflects the sloshback off the quarter panel) to expensive customisation (moving the filler up atop the fin with a Jaguar flip lid—John Pulo has done this; he's user Sixty1225L on here). In between is the one I plan to use on my '62 Lancer when I get around to it: install an unleaded fuel restrictor plate in the filler pipe. The plates aren't as easy to find as they used to be, but they can still be had here. The idea is that the plate would contain most of the up-splash, while also giving the automatic nozzle a little more time to shut off before fuel overflows the filler pipe. The thing is, the smallest restrictor plate available is to suit 1.8" diameter fill pipes, and there are restrictions at both ends of the A-body fill pipe that likely prevent easy installation of a restrictor. It might be necessary to cut the fill pipe, install the restrictor, then rejoin the cut ends of the pipe. Doing so safely would require some thought. Welding might work, though of course it would have to be done well away from the pipe's "home". Or maybe an exhaust shop could expand both cut ends, which could then be joined with a length of appropriate-specification hose, very securely quadruple-clamped. |
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| Author: | slantsixlancer [ Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:25 pm ] |
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the R plate sounds like a great way to go. How do those things stay put. I havent measured but the fill neck seems to the same size all the way down( its not cone shaped) Would they go before the breather or after? there are so many body lines on the lancer, moving the whole thing would be a very big chore (fun though  ) I was thinking behind the tail light but... a stock gas cap in the stock location is going to be hard to beat for looks.. |
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| Author: | dakight [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:00 am ] |
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I have turned over in my head the idea of intalling a Charger/Barracuda style flip lid on the top of the fender. It looks like it should be doable but would require some body work as well as rework of the plumbing. It would certainly look cool though. |
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| Author: | wjajr [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:39 am ] |
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Just lift up on the nozzle so that it is positioned on the floor of the fill tube when pumping fuel. The automatic kick off will work if not filling at fastest rate resulting in almost no back surge. The old leaded fuel dispensers were of a larger caliber, and took up a greater cross sectional area in the fill tube resulting in less back surge in the old days. |
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| Author: | slantsixlancer [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:00 pm ] |
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Putting the nossle on slow and tilting it works ok sometimes, but...I live in Oregon (it is against the law to pump you own fuel here). That means I have to give a lesson to each person I get fuel from every time I fuel...yuckkk..and they take my lesson so well  i have never taken the fill tube out of a fuel tank before is there any tricks..or gaskets, rubber fittings to deal with? And most important ..do they make replacement parts? |
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| Author: | CARS [ Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:13 pm ] |
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Quote: but...I live in Oregon (it is against the law to pump you own fuel here). That means I have to give a lesson to each person I get fuel from every time I fuel...yuckkk..and they take my lesson so well
I have never understood that.  Isn't New Jersey like that too??So, if a paid employee is pumping the gas, are they responsible for spills 
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| Author: | dakight [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:38 am ] |
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Quote: Quote: but...I live in Oregon (it is against the law to pump you own fuel here). That means I have to give a lesson to each person I get fuel from every time I fuel...yuckkk..and they take my lesson so well
I have never understood that. Isn't New Jersey like that too??So, if a paid employee is pumping the gas, are they responsible for spills |
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| Author: | redfourjohnd [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:23 am ] |
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I've tried turning the pump every which way while filling and never get a consistent result. If the tank is hot it's way harder to fill. So,I bought a funnel with a gooseneck on it. I can jam the gooseneck way down in the fill pipe and it keeps the back pressure from building up too much. The funnel only holds about a quart so you have to run the pump slow. I angle the pump so it makes a little whirlpool as it fills. It works pretty good. You just have to be careful at the end, and listen for the gas rushing up the fill pipe so it doesn't come shooting out at you. A difficult thing at a noisy gas station. The pumps we have here have gone to a short rubber bellows so I'm able to do this one handed. I'm going to get another funnel, hopefully bigger, to do the same filling technique on my Ramcharger. Took me 20 minutes to fill 25 gallons the other day. Big hassle, but at least it's a Mopar. I had made a little video with my phone to send to my brother. I sent it to youtube. Not that exciting, but I'll post it when it's live. John D |
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| Author: | stonethk [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:51 am ] |
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I know the drill all to well.... Nozzle in filler neck. Tilt nozzle up. Brace bottom of nozzle with knee. Hold. Squeeze trigger. Stand there in position for the duration of fill. Daydream of how nice it would be if one day I could actually use the trigger holding device. Wait for excess gas to spill over. Repeat as necessary when "clicking" is felt. 
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| Author: | slantsixlancer [ Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:58 am ] |
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install an unleaded fuel restrictor plate in the filler pipe
I would like to try installing on of the plates Dan suggested but..putting my car out of commission without a plan of attack..has any one ever installed an after market in nozzle fuel blocking spray stopping drip detouring never have to wipe up after fueling again......plate 
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| Author: | redfourjohnd [ Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:15 pm ] |
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Here is that thrilling video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqR3i0RaHEI John D |
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| Author: | slantsixlancer [ Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:25 pm ] |
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if only I had smell-o-vision..that would have been a great vid 
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| Author: | DonPal [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Gas Filler Tube Restrictor Installation |
I had great success with Dan's recommended restrictor plate (known as "Tank Sentry" by the seller Pollution Control Auto Parts Inc.). The installation was fairly quick & gone are the overflows onto the quarter panel either during the gas filling stage or during sharp turns. As Dan mentioned the diameter of the tank sentry (#150) is larger by almost 1/4 inch than the filler tube but you can easily modify it to fit. See attachment for how to make this install in just a few minutes... http://www.flickr.com/photos/donpal/638 ... hotostream |
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| Author: | SlantSixDan [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:46 pm ] |
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Hoorah! Nice pictures. Feel like writing up a paragraph or two for a step-by-step installation to go along with the photos? Then a moderator can make it a (badly-needed) sticky. |
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