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 Post subject: Good Coil for HEI?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:24 pm 
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Car Model: 71 Dodge D100 64 Plymouth Valiant Wagon
NAPA cross references the Blue Streak DR35 with IC22SB-- which seems to be their in house "bargain brand." Anybody used these? Also, there seems to be the equivalent put out by Mallory, MSD, and Accel all readily available on Ebay. Any quality concerns/insight there?

I upgraded to the HEI a few weeks ago and it made a world of difference. Still using my cylindrical MSD blaster coil, though, and thought I could get a little more oomph to the plugs.

As always, thanks for help and insight,

Joe

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:47 pm 
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Remove the "SB" from the end of the part number to get the real (Echlin) part instead of the Chinese no-name garbage, if you're buying from NAPA.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:39 pm 
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Your MSD Blaster II is a good choice with HEI..thats what I'm using with the HEI Reed installed on the 5th Ave. I think mine was made in Mexico, its about 4 or 5 years old. New MSD's are made....you guessed it...in China.


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 Post subject: HEI Ignition Comparision
PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:42 am 
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Location: Tolland, Ct. 06084
Car Model: 65 Dart, 225, 4 spd od, hyd clutch, BBD, 2 1/4 exh
Below is a comparision, as measured by a Sun Computer II, between the Chrysler & HEI system; mostly spark duration for the first comparision.

The switchover occurred in just a few minutes with the engine still hot so that environmental conditions & engine condition were close. RPM jumped over 100 rpm when the HEI switch occurred.

Note the effect of opening up the plugs to .045 which doubles the spark intensity in the second comparision.

Below also is the setup of the HEI system including NAPA numbers used for the comparision(Magnecor Wire Set 6508 only non NAPA item).

If anyone supplies me their email by PM I will send enlarged pictures of each

Does anyone have a comparision for other systems quantified?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/donpal/4128845891/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/donpal/4128845841/

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1965 Dart 110k, 225, Carter BBD Super Six, 2 1/4 single exh., sbp manual scarebird front disc, 7 1/4 rear 2.94 sure grip, 14 x 4.5 OEM wheels, 833 OD with hyd. throwout bearing, HEI, electric fan, ram air/heated air, Accusump. http://plymouthcarclub.com/


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:44 am 
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Make this sticky!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:36 am 
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Make this sticky!
Seconded. Nice work! Thanks for doing this.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:58 am 
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Super data! Can I add it to the big HEI article so it's accessible at the same place as the rest of the info?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:49 am 
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Dan Mind updating the article on VALIANT50 as well please?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:18 am 
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I will if DonPal says OK!

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Nice work Don! Some guys talk ideas.....some guys build their ideas....and some guys build and document it for everybody else. Thanks for sharing.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:09 pm 
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Your MSD Blaster II is a good choice with HEI..thats what I'm using with the HEI Reed installed on the 5th Ave. I think mine was made in Mexico, its about 4 or 5 years old. New MSD's are made....you guessed it...in China.
I have the MSD Blaster 3 which I am very happy with except that its made in China... The B3 version has a tower plug connection so you will need the specific coil wire to match. Its longer than the B2 but it all fits nice in the stock location under the ALT no problems at all.

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HEI, MSD B3, Magnecor 8 mm, ZFR5N, .060 rotor, CH410X cap, new 3874814 dist, fuel mod, valves hot .010 & .020, all new hoses, JP chain, brake hoses and fluid.


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You know, I always hated that stock coil location on the slant. Too much clutter right there around the alternator.

If I was going to go through the trouble of putting together a custom ignition system, I would mount the coil on the fender.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:41 pm 
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DonPal: Very nice setup - pictures,drawing and all, that coil bracket looks really nice. I have a few questions if you have the time to answer:

The Magnecore wires you use #6508 are made for 1978/9>up /6, do they fit the HEI coil without modification, or have you ordered a special fitting on the coil end of the cable?

Does the length of the coil-to-distributor wire with the Magnecore 6008/6708/6508 wires give any leeway on mounting position, or is it short like the stock cable?

I am doing the swap these days on my '77 Aspen, are there any pitfalls at all?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:56 am 
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Location: Tolland, Ct. 06084
Car Model: 65 Dart, 225, 4 spd od, hyd clutch, BBD, 2 1/4 exh
Magnecor will make the coil wire to the length that you specify

They also put each end on the wire based on the car that you specify, also at no cost adder at least in my case

I told them to put one end to match a 76 SL6 distributor cap and the other end to match a 88 to 92 Camaro coil. I made my 8.5 mm coil wire short to reduce resistance (for spark intensity reasons) & increase life (assuming life is somewhat related to heat generated)

I used the 88 to 92 model coil (IC29) since it had female connections (easier to find connectors & better for moisture) and fits the bracket better than the earlier coil. The earlier coil (IC22) is larger and doesn't fit the 96 to 2000 truck coil bracket without modifications (I tried that first).

Small Hitches: The short wire puts the bracket just above distributor which has that disadvantage on servicing the distributor. The coil bracket has the 96 to 2000 coil riveted to it so they have to be ground off to remove the old coil (the junkyard will charge you for the coil that you don't want).

If you want a full size picture of the final coil installation send me a PM with your email address

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1965 Dart 110k, 225, Carter BBD Super Six, 2 1/4 single exh., sbp manual scarebird front disc, 7 1/4 rear 2.94 sure grip, 14 x 4.5 OEM wheels, 833 OD with hyd. throwout bearing, HEI, electric fan, ram air/heated air, Accusump. http://plymouthcarclub.com/


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:06 am 
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I for one am interested and will send you a pm. Also I'm hoping you will send it to dan and allow him to post it and your other data with his original h.e.i. article. Very nice work sir! Well done!

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