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Author:  Tom Gilsdorf [ Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Valve Seal Question

Hi Guys,

I have a set of Clifford single valve springs w/damper. In the Mopar Performance book it mentions that you don't/can't use the umbrella style viton seals with dual valve springs. To me, the damper doesn't necessarily constitute "dual spring". Or does it?

OK here's the question. Will the umbrella seals fit, or do I toss them and cut the guide for the teflon seal? This is going to be a street engine, so I think I'd prefer to use the umbrella seals if possible.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Gilly

tlg225ccr@aol.com

Author:  bud L. [ Tue Jul 02, 2002 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Valve Seal Question

Quote:
: Hi Guys,
:
: I have a set of Clifford single valve springs
: w/damper. In the Mopar Performance book it
: mentions that you don't/can't use the
: umbrella style viton seals with dual valve
: springs. To me, the damper doesn't
: necessarily constitute "dual
: spring". Or does it?
:
: OK here's the question. Will the umbrella seals
: fit, or do I toss them and cut the guide for
: the teflon seal? This is going to be a
: street engine, so I think I'd prefer to use
: the umbrella seals if possible.
:
: Thanks in advance for your help.
:
: Gilly


I'am with you. Single spring with damper is not dual springs, so the umbrella seals should fit with those springs.
Here's something that I do whenever I finish a head, just for extra insurance. I use a vacuum checker(Sioux) to physically check the seat/valve face and stem/guide seal. It's kind of like a negative pressure leak-down test.

fglmopar@aol.com

Author:  Doc. [ Tue Jul 02, 2002 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Valve Seal Question

Quote:
: Hi Guys,
:
: I have a set of Clifford single valve springs
: w/damper. In the Mopar Performance book it
: mentions that you don't/can't use the
: umbrella style viton seals with dual valve
: springs. To me, the damper doesn't
: necessarily constitute "dual
: spring". Or does it?
:
: OK here's the question. Will the umbrella seals
: fit, or do I toss them and cut the guide for
: the teflon seal? This is going to be a
: street engine, so I think I'd prefer to use
: the umbrella seals if possible.


The umbrella seals clear the single spring with damper, no problem.

Be sure to check your clearance between the keeper base and the top of the valve guide at full lift. With higher lift cams, there may not be enough room between the two for the thick umbrella seal.
DD

Author:  Caulispud [ Wed Jul 03, 2002 5:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Valve Seal Question

Quote:
: I'am with you. Single spring with damper is not
: dual springs, so the umbrella seals should
: fit with those springs.
: Here's something that I do whenever I finish a
: head, just for extra insurance. I use a
: vacuum checker(Sioux) to physically check
: the seat/valve face and stem/guide seal.
: It's kind of like a negative pressure
: leak-down test.

Sioux, Vacuum checker, where from, do you get these marvelous toys? I thank you!

klove@bigpond.com

Author:  bud L. [ Wed Jul 03, 2002 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Valve Seal Question

Quote:
: Sioux, Vacuum checker, where from, do you get
: these marvelous toys? I thank you!


I got mine from Western Equipment in South Everett, Washington. They are an outlet for Goodson, an auto tool company, and Sioux Tools. Either of which sell such a tool. But any Sioux tool outlet can hook you up.
I don't have the catalog #, but it is a kit with several adapters, a case, and a cast aluminum handle/with guage and compressed air inlet. The compressed air runs across an orifice in the handle, which creates a vacuum that is connected via the adapters, which are sealed to the head's ports, or spark plug hole. If you buy an additional adapter big enough, one can even check ring seal with the head off.

fglmopar@aol.com

Author:  caulispud [ Wed Jul 03, 2002 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Valve Seal Question

Quote:
: I got mine from Western Equipment in South
: Everett, Washington. They are an outlet for
: Goodson, an auto tool company, and Sioux
: Tools. Either of which sell such a tool. But
: any Sioux tool outlet can hook you up.
: I don't have the catalog #, but it is a kit
: with several adapters, a case, and a cast
: aluminum handle/with guage and compressed
: air inlet. The compressed air runs across an
: orifice in the handle, which creates a
: vacuum that is connected via the adapters,
: which are sealed to the head's ports, or
: spark plug hole. If you buy an additional
: adapter big enough, one can even check ring
: seal with the head off.


Thank you for the information. caulispud.

klove@bigpond.com

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