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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:16 am 
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well folks i was able to free the stuck engine. Old starter was froze solid and i picked up a rebuilt from napa. so today i am ready to see if the old /6 will start.
one ? I have is. the motor is really gunked up. i have used fuel oil, trans fluid, Kan-o-kroil to free the motor. should i dump this stuff and put in fresh oil before i get it running, or let the diluted solution scrub some of the sludge out?
motor also has old style cartridge oil filter. anything better?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:54 am 
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the motor is really gunked up. i have used fuel oil, trans fluid, Kan-o-kroil to free the motor. should i dump this stuff and put in fresh oil before i get it running, or let the diluted solution scrub some of the sludge out?
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Careful-careful-careful. Those "engine flush" compounds you can find at the auto parts store can do a tremendous amount of damage.

I have long maintained that your engine is not a toilet (Chevrolet Vega, Cadillac HT4100 and V8-6-4, and Ford 3.0 owners excepted) and therefore does not need flushing except under specific and rare conditions as a corrective measure. Everyone's got a pet theory on how best to flush a crudded-up engine without pulling the pan. Some methods are harmless but ineffective. Some methods are potentially harmful. Some methods are harmless and effective. For best results, pick one of that last kind.

I do not believe there is any such thing as a safe, effective and fast engine flush procedure. You can pick any two of these three: Safe and effective (but not fast), safe and fast (but not effective), effective and fast (but not safe). The risks fall into two categories:
Softening/damaging engine gaskets and seals so they don't seal well any more
Sweeping large amounts of dirt and crud from its resting place into the oil filter, which plugs and goes into bypass mode, sending the cräp directly to the bearings and quickly failing the engine. I watched this happen to a Chev 305 once. It was quite a spectacle.


Those "5-minute engine flush" compounds mostly contain Butyl Cellosolve,
which is a specialized solvent that's very good at one particular task: Cleaning the mayonnaise out of a crankcase that's had coolant in it due to a faulty head (etc.) gasket. Their use in any other situation is risky.

My own engine flush recipe is a delicious blend of Marvel Mystery Oil (very light weight and good at dissolving gums and sludges), Kroil (best penetrant on the planet), ATF (detergent/dispersant with good lubricity), and Berryman B12 ChemTool (good at dissolving crud too tough for Marvel Mystery Oil). My procedure involves warming up the engine, draining the oil, changing the oil filter, replacing the drain plug (!), and pouring in the soup. For a 5-quart crankcase, I usually start with 1/1/2/1 (Marvel/Kroil/ATF/B12). Then start and run the engine in the driveway at around 1200 to 1700 RPM with no sudden acceleration and no load applied, for 15 minutes.

Shut down, drain (really let it drain, walk away for 45 minutes), change the filter again, repeat with new soup for 30 to 45 minutes depending how gross the first batch of soup was when it was drained and how quickly the second batch of soup cruds up. Check the dipstick periodically.

If the 2nd batch of soup comes out coalmine black and full of chunks, run in another batch of soup (and another new filter!) and repeat until chips, chunks and tar stop coming out when you drain it.

You'll note the filter is replaced before any attempt is made to introduce a flushing agent into the crankcase, and the filter is replaced again every time you drain a batch of flushing soup. Without doing this, you run the very real risk of inundating the filter, which will go into bypass mode and send all the loosened-up crud directly to the bearings and other critical parts: Goodbye, engine, it was nice gnawing you.

I've gotten amazing amounts of corruption and trash out of engines using this recipe and method. Other methods and other recipes may work better
for other people with other cars. And as always, be advised that if the engine is really tired and whipped, even a safe flush can cause additional problems in the form of "new" leaks.
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motor also has old style cartridge oil filter. anything better?
1806 is the napa gold number, 51806 is the wix number.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:09 am 
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Thanks Reed,
your "Soup" recipe sounds really tasty. I have only seen Kroil in spray cans around here. One member on another site sent a study done to find the best penetrating oil. they came up with only one better thing than Kroil.
50/50 mix of tranny fluid and acetone. i have tried it on serveral things on the ambulance. It works Great!
I might try to pull the pan and clean what I can, and the rocker cover. This gunk thing transpired shen i wnet to pull the plugs to check them.
i looked inside those holes and seen gunk galore. the old boy was not too keen on Maintenance I am thinking. he must not have owned an Oil can or grease gun by the looks of every thing else.
I priced the oil filters you stated in last post. ouch! $14.00 a pop. I found the original oem cartridge filters at another Napa for $4.00
thanks for you help.
Larry

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:46 pm 
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What I have used several times with good results, 20% dexron transmission fluid and a cheep filter, 30 minute cruse fully warmed up, drain, if needed -repeat.

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