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Author:  Justin [ Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  A-833-OD Transmission Problems Please Help
Hey all,

I know i'm not the most popular person around because of some poor desicions and i'm sorry to all for being an idiot. I solved them and everything is cool between all parties involved so please help :cry:

So here is an explination of my problem with the transmission http://www.slantsix.com/UBB/Forum16/HTML/005776.html

Well i ripped into my trucks A-833-OD and i have some problems with it. I just simply cannot pull the tailshaft off, i know its hung up on some gear lookin things that are black and next to the brass :? syncros. i have no clue about how to pull this apart and it will be my first time trying to tackle a transmission. I can pull the tail shaft out about 1/2" and then it gets hung up on the gear looking things. also can anyone tell my how to pull the speedo gear out? i took everything off it and i cant get it out for the life of me! Thanks Everyone!

Sincerely

Justin
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Wed Jan 29, 2003 6:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Going to need a clean bench to get dirty....
Disassembly of the A-833 OD is pretty straight forward, but you want to keep all your peices in an organized manner so you can return them to the correct places on reassembly. Also, get the service manual or a Manual Tranny rebuild book, if you don't have the diagrams to go by you will have a large pile of parts and lots of frustration.

To get the main assembly out:
1)Drain tranny, remove from car/truck/Van
2)Place on bench, place tranny in neutral and remove the shifter, rods, and levers (tag as necessary)
3)remove side cover plate, check for damage
4)Pull the bolts off the tailshaft that connect it to the main casing.
5)rotate the tailshaft until you see the plug in the back of the casing.
6)line up one set of holes and insert a bolt so you have a free shot at the plug without it swinging back into place.
7)Some people differ on this next step, for me I just: Take a drill and drill a hole in the plug large enough to get a nice sized punch in there.
8) From the back insert punch (like a 3/8+ nose), and drive home with dead blow hammer. The result should pop the front plug out, and send the countershaft halfway out with it.
9)Remove countershaft.
10)The countershaft gearset will now drop the bottom of the casing about another inch which should allow you to pull the mainshaft/tailshaft assembly out the back (support from the inside so you don't 'ding' anything.

At this point if you removed the front bearing retainer the input shaft should wobble out the front with a little persuasion. and you can pull the countershaft gear cluster out the side (don't loose any of the needle/roll bearings, and brass spacers unless you are buying a rebuild kit to replace them....)

Good luck, it's a nice simple tranny, but if you replace the gears on the mainshaft or any of the pressed on bearings you'll need to find a friend with a press and a quality set of snap ring pliers...


-D.Idiot

Been there, done that twice....THANKS TO DOC'S HELP!!!!!! :wink:
Author:  Justin [ Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:38 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hey Thanks D.I.

I'm havent gone back out yet but i've hit the point of no-return because i broke the gasket beween, the tailshaft and the transmission so it'll leak if i just give up on it. I havent been able to pull the input shaft off b/c of snap rings :? (dunno but thats the only thing my bood shows it could be but my book is for a non-OD tranny) :? if it wasnt for those (they look like the same size as the syncros but are black and are groove like gears just no the same width) There looks to be almost no metal shavings in the bottom of the tranny but yet 1/2 the gear is "stripped". Thanks for the info, i'll give it a try first thing in the morning

Justin
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Broke the seal...need goop...
The sad part about the alumionum cased A-833 is warpage is a major issue, some of the local mopar guys all have had to silicone their OD tranny instead of using the kit since the coverplate no longer sits flat on the case after the first removal. All three that I have leak in various places, and the one I'm driving on now, is 'gooped' instead of using gaskets and I have'nt seen any 90WT sneaking out of it yet...


-D.Idiot
Author:  rustycowl [ Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:32 am ]
Post subject:  tailshaft
It's been quite awhile, so I am dragging this from the nether reaches of my brain.
To get the tailshaft hsg off, you take off the little cover plate on the botm of the hsg, and reach in there with an internal expanding snap ring pliers(Sears use to sell them), and expand the ring that is in the groove of the OD of the caged ball brg. I think it's similar, if not identical to an automatic. Oh yeah, pull the speedo gear before you do all that.
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Thu Jan 30, 2003 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Much nicer on your hands if...
You're correct on pulling the snag ring out of the bearing detent, but the operation is much easier done if you just pull the whole mainshaft/tailshaft assembly...

-D.Idiot
Author:  bud L. [ Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  uh huh
Sure, but what fun is that?
Author:  DusterIdiot [ Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Fun?!?!?
:lol:

'It's all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Then it's just 'fun'!'

-D.Idiot
Author:  1987_Ram-GT [ Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:14 pm ]
Post subject: 
Hey all thanks for the advice, i got new syncros and gaskets. The bearings are no problem for me to do so there is no problems putting it back together...

Doc i'm still waiting to hear from you on a reverse gear (the idler) so if ya got one, drop me a line on/off board please.

Thanks again all! :D

Justin
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