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| Author: | Dizzydean [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Slant w/ 727 |
Not sure how to post a CL link but there's a 65 slant from a Belevedere in Spokane WA that says it comes with a 727. The price is $500. 3 questions. 1-is it worth the price, 2-from the pic how can you tell the difference between the 904-727, 3-what would I need to do to convert the trans to a 67 A body floor shift. Not sure what extras are included as there are no pics of anything else. This is the ad:Slant 6 225ci Mopar 727 Transmission - $500 (Athol). Thanks for any advice. |
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| Author: | Badvert65 [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
No way to tell from the photos if it is a 904 or 727. In all likelihood, it is a 904 trans. My 65 Belvedere came with a slant 6 and 904 transmission. No reason to put a 727 behind a slant except possibly truck/van applications. I can't comment on the price, but if it is a running assembly, it won't hurt to haggle. Offer half and work your way up. FYI, the 65 transmission will give you problems in any 66-later vehicle. It is a cable shift transmission, 66-up are not. It is not possible to change them over and would be a royal pain to try to convert the 65 trans to floor shift without the floor shift cables and factory shifter. jus sayin |
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| Author: | Reed [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
There were no slant six specific 727s in 1965, and that trans has the pre-66 ball and trunion diveshaft flange. That is a 904 ransmission. The yellow paint is slightly intriguing. Heavy duty truck motors were painted yellow. They came with goodies like exhaust valve rotators, and other internal upgrades. However, the block is clean like it has been replaced or rebuilt, and the head has blue paint suggesting a 70s era replacement. Another bonus is the extra parts that come with it. A downside is the driveshaft flange on the back of the trans. If you don't have a ball and trunion u-joint eliminator kit you will want one. All things considered, I would take a look at it. A complete running engine and trans combo with extra parts could well be worth $500. Call and haggle. |
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| Author: | Dizzydean [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Thanks guys I appreciate the help. Not really worried about the trans part my dart has the floor shift and I recall having to swap the back half to the column shift I used on another car I had. Wasn't sure if this would be a viable swap. Also wernt the 67 and older 3 freeze plug motors? This must be a newer than 65 block. |
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| Author: | Reed [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Yes, the five freezeplug blocks re 68-up. I bet that is a later motor dressed in the 65 tin with a 65 904 trans. How they managed the mating of the torque converter to the crank pocket will need tobe investigated. You really don't want a 727 behind a slant 6. Way too much parasitic power loss. You also don't really want the old flanged output shaft on that transmission. I would look at tht package for the motor and extra parts and recommend selling the transmission to someone doing a restoration of 65 year car since I believe the 65 transmission was a one-year-only item. |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
IF it is a 727 it will have the adapter plate. They were used in police/taxi applications. |
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| Author: | GregCon [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Did the factory really provide 727's with an adapter plate? |
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Quote: Did the factory really provide 727's with an adapter plate?
Yes. A small block 727, In fleet applications such as police/taxi, truck, Van, as an option. Around 68 or 69 Mopar came out with the slant six 727, no adapter needed.
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| Author: | Reed [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Quote: Did the factory really provide 727's with an adapter plate?
Yes. I have one in my garage.
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| Author: | GregCon [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Weird. I'd like to see a pic. I don't see how the starter would line up, with or without an adapter. |
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| Author: | Reed [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
    The torque converter stays in the same spot in the trans, the starter motor bolts to the trans, so there is no misalignment between the starter and the ring gear. The flex plate is spaced backwards to the trans from the crank by a spacer that is the same thickness as the adapter. The last two pictures are the flex plate spacer. |
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| Author: | slantzilla [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
That is the infamous "low starter" position Clifford asks about when buying headers. |
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| Author: | Reed [ Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Quote: That is the infamous "low starter" position Clifford asks about when buying headers.
No worries. I will be running Dutras.
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| Author: | GregCon [ Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 |
Thanks for posting those. On seeing them, I do recall seeing that before...I seem to think my friend, who was a taxi mechanic back around 1970*, had showed me that. * He said they had Checker cabs, and Plymouth cabs. The Plymouths ran Slant Sixes and would run forever....he said they would typically re-ring them at 450,000 miles. |
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| Author: | GregCon [ Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:41 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Slant w/ 727 | ||
So here's my 'rare and exotic' Torqueflite photo. Anyone know what it is? I can tell you it is an OEM 'factory' arrangement...
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