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| Author: | Dutch Dart GT 64 [ Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
Can please someone help me out? Found out the other day the left rear brake is leaking. Since it is winter and they put salt on the roads I don't drive the car for a couple of months and it is the right time to get the car ready for April / May when I can drive it again. Somehow, it seems impossible in The Netherlands to find the correct drum brakes for this car. The oldest Dodge they know of is a Neon vrom 1995... Either it is impossible, or there are 5 sets that 'might' fit all different sizes, or it is a set that fits on tons of cars and a 64 Dart might just be one of them... So, my American friends, please I need your help. I just want to have a link or partnumber(s) for replacing the rear brakes, including the brake cylinder, brake shoes, springs, handbrake mechanism... mainly everything that is in the drum I want to replace. I have no idea what to select; https://www.carid.com/1964-dodge-dart-drum-brake-shoes/ or via https://www.partsgeek.com/9fst3k6-dodge ... r-kit.html I simply have no clue what to buy... or via https://www.carjunky.com/products/1964/ ... l-Cylinder thanks in advance! |
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| Author: | Dart270 [ Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
I recommend trying rockauto.com. I bet they will ship internationally. I have not had 9" drums on anything for a long time, but for the Darts they are pretty standardized. Pull the wheel and rear drum off and measure the ID of the drum. It should measure either very close to 9" (229 mm) or 10" (254 mm). Also, if it is the 10" variety, please measure the width of the drum friction surface on the inside of the drum. It will either be close to 2" (51 mm) or close to 2.5" (64 mm). 2.5" is very unlikely, but just to be sure. Also, do you have 5X4" bolt circle, or 5X4.5" bolt circle? Your car came with 5X4", but someone could have switched it. After we have these measurements, we can help further. Thanks and all the best, Lou |
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| Author: | Dutch Dart GT 64 [ Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
the wheel was completely wet, but I see some grease and possibly asbestos brake dust but is the leaking, the rusty bit that comes out of the cilinder? https://ibb.co/kXwkHNY https://ibb.co/9v9CdJy https://ibb.co/nr48WHQ https://ibb.co/bvBxg7H https://ibb.co/nDVxb4x https://ibb.co/mt2V7Yp https://ibb.co/Tvf8mRp https://ibb.co/HhSz4Z8 https://ibb.co/7jNchYK https://ibb.co/grrBG2L https://ibb.co/K0McwT8 |
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| Author: | Charrlie_S [ Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
Brakes are 9 inch, small bolt pattern. 13 inch rim will not clear a 10 brake drum. Can't guestimate the width. |
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| Author: | Dutch Dart GT 64 [ Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
Quote: I recommend trying rockauto.com. I bet they will ship internationally. I have not had 9" drums on anything for a long time, but for the Darts they are pretty standardized. Pull the wheel and rear drum off and measure the ID of the drum. It should measure either very close to 9" (229 mm) or 10" (254 mm). Also, if it is the 10" variety, please measure the width of the drum friction surface on the inside of the drum. It will either be close to 2" (51 mm) or close to 2.5" (64 mm). 2.5" is very unlikely, but just to be sure. Also, do you have 5X4" bolt circle, or 5X4.5" bolt circle? Your car came with 5X4", but someone could have switched it.
Indeed 9" drums. After we have these measurements, we can help further. Thanks and all the best, Lou I tried Rockauto but there's too much choice, isn't there a complete brake kit, with shoes, cilinder, springs etc. I guess the drums are still alright but I have no idea about the 'drum brake adjusting screw assembly' or whatsoever. In my opinion just replacing it all is the best, I simply don't want to figure out halfway something is missing, incomplete etc. |
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| Author: | ric325v63 [ Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
You might try NAPA Auto Parts to at least get some clarity on proper part numbers and parts. I recently reworked all 4 of my drum brakes on my 1966 Dodge Coronet 440 which has 10" drums. NAPA had the proper wheel cylinders, and hardware kits. I also had to get one part from the self adjuster kit that I broke. The self adjusters themselves were fine and did not need replacing - just a good cleaning and lube of the threads. My drums were all fine too. Good luck! Oh I got my front brake shoes from RockAuto and my back brake shoes from O'Reilly Auto Parts. |
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| Author: | lgu32 [ Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
Quote: the wheel was completely wet, but I see some grease and possibly asbestos brake dust but is the leaking, the rusty bit that comes out of the cilinder?
With just these few pictures I would say you have a very good Dart. What I have seen with them - I have had those since 1981 our old cars are rusty and many times have 'patents' done because original parts were expensive. Example. In my Dart someone had installed cylinders from something else I dont know. Because of fitting the brake back plate was modified. When I bough a new original type cylinders I had to modify the back plate again...https://ibb.co/kXwkHNY https://ibb.co/9v9CdJy https://ibb.co/nr48WHQ https://ibb.co/bvBxg7H https://ibb.co/nDVxb4x https://ibb.co/mt2V7Yp https://ibb.co/Tvf8mRp https://ibb.co/HhSz4Z8 https://ibb.co/7jNchYK https://ibb.co/grrBG2L https://ibb.co/K0McwT8 To me this look like you have a axle seal leak there. But I am not sure as I can not see what is just below the brake wheel cylinder. You probably need a set of new brake shoes, a pair of wheel cylinders, a pair of axle shaft seals (I recommend to replace them anyway as sooner or later they will leak anyway). Drums seem to have enough material but depending of the surface of them probably new set will be cheaper than machining the old ones. Rockauto is a very good place get parts overseas. They have excellent pictures so you can compare parts you have to what they offer. I have done several times a full rebuild of brakes to my Dart or Valiant including all tubes, hoses and master cylinder. As you have a winter season pause you have good time to do the same. If rear brakes are in that shape how does look front ones which usually worn more? |
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| Author: | wjajr [ Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
I wish the cars around here in New England looked that rust free! That oil on the lower backing plate, adjuster, and wheel is from a leaking wheel cylinder. You show the source in photo with an address ending in YK. The drums look OK if they are still in spec. That spec is cast into the drum. If the shoes are wet from leaking brake fluid, replace them, and the wheel cylinder. The rest just was it all down with brake-clean, and reassemble. Wheel cylinders often leak for two reasons: hard seal/rubber cups; and pitted cylinder surfaces. I always just replace them with new, and not rebuild them. Make sure the rubber three flex lines are in good shape. If the are cracked, hard or over 10 years old I would replace them. If there is no date code on them, replace them as those would be real old. |
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| Author: | Dutch Dart GT 64 [ Sun Jan 28, 2024 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: rear drum brakes 1964 Dart |
Quote:
With just these few pictures I would say you have a very good Dart.
Thanks, it really is a solid hard-as-a-rock carQuote: To me this look like you have a axle seal leak there. But I am not sure as I can not see what is just below the brake wheel cylinder. You probably need a set of new brake shoes, a pair of wheel cylinders, a pair of axle shaft seals (I recommend to replace them anyway as sooner or later they will leak anyway). Drums seem to have enough material but depending of the surface of them probably new set will be cheaper than machining the old ones. Rockauto is a very good place get parts overseas. They have excellent pictures so you can compare parts you have to what they offer. I have done several times a full rebuild of brakes to my Dart or Valiant including all tubes, hoses and master cylinder. As you have a winter season pause you have good time to do the same. If rear brakes are in that shape how does look front ones which usually worn more? Quote: I wish the cars around here in New England looked that rust free!
Well, it hasn't seen the road in many winters, and since I have this car, about 8 years, I have used the winshield wipers ones... It is always staying indoors whenever possible. I have had many old French cars, and if you are very quiet... you can hear the rust cracking... that's why I completely sprayed the bottom of my Renault with Tectyl... Back to the Dart. Since it more seems a leaking rear sealing of the axle shaft. I think about taking it to some specialist. I haven't done this repair ever before and I hardly have time to figure it out, finding all the parts and know-how to do this repair. I've had so much problems with this car last year. This year should be a year that I want to drive with it as much as possible without hassle... |
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