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Author:  225dart [ Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  help---carb is giving me fits!!!

just got my super six/header install conversion done but am havinbg a bit of tuning problems. from what i can tell elseware on the site, i believe i have a holley carb on it----but i dont know for sure.would holley reman a carter carb? it cam in a holley box, but has carter imprinted in its side. it was brand new for a 318, 71 duster. anyways, this thing has a wicked stumble that i cant get rid of. i drilled the accelerator pump holes a bit and that helped but its still bad---real bad. if you slightly and carefully roll into the throttle, the car will be fine---this tells me that either the accelerator pump system is not working properly or its possible that the main jets are a bit to small. engine itself is all stock otherwise. if i try to come up on the converter, it just wants to spit and sputter all over the place. i have 2 bbd carbs in my possesion that need rebuilding, but they dont look exactly the same as my carb on the car. my carb for the accelorator pump is the type where it uses a internal spring to sqeeze the gas out the ports when the throttle is pressed (slow reacting) where i noticed that the bbd's i have is a positive type where it will squirt out at any movement of the throttle shaft. also, the metering rods of my carb are like an edelbrock where it uses vacum to pull the rods in and out of the jets and the bbd carbs are actuated by moving the main throttle shaft lever. should i abandon this new reman carb i have and just rebuild one of the bbd's? i like the working mechanisms of a bbd because it seems to be real similar to a holley 4 bbl 4150/4160 carb. any advice is appreciated------i need to get this figured out to go bracket racing in a weekand a half.

--chad

Author:  225dart [ Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:16 pm ]
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anyone at all? pleeeaaase?

Author:  kesteb [ Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:07 pm ]
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A remanufactored carb, does not gurantee a working carb out of the box. I would suspect that you will need to adjust the float level, adjust the throttle pump and the metering rods for the main jets. Also check for vaccum leakage around the throttle shaft. If there is, take it back and try another one.

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:55 pm ]
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As has been said, a "remanufactured" carburetor is not "brand new". As with all "remanufactured" parts, many "remanufactured" carbs are garbage right out of the box, especially for older and less popular applications where the carb may have been sitting for years. Yes, Holley has a "remanufacturing" division that puts out all makes of carbs, not just Holleys.

Drilling? Eek! No, this is almost NEVER the right solution and stands to make things very much worse overall. Don't do it again.

This calls for systematic diagnosis. Did you, with the engine off, operate the throttle linkage while looking down the carb to see if you get a nice strong shot of fuel from each accelerator pump jet? Did you check all the hold-together screws *including the ones accessible from underneath, on the throttle body-to-manifold mating surface* for tightness? Looseness of the bottom screws is a common cause of hesitation in BBDs.

In cases where I'm forced to use a reman carb for one reason or another, I usually wind up having to go through and rebuild it with a carb kit because the float is often bent and almost never set correctly, ditto the onboard linkages, the accelerator pump cup has seldom been properly prepared before installation and so does nothing, etc. This last is probably your problem -- the leather accel pump cup MUST be oiled and "flared" with a small screwdriver before it is installed. If it is not, the accelerator pump will barely work and you'll have a large flat spot.

Author:  steponmebbbboom [ Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:01 pm ]
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:idea: That reminds me of the last time I rebuilt a carb for my VW. My old one was California emissions, with an altitude compensator. The throttle shaft was worn, and none of the popular non emission carbs I had for parts would interchange with it, so I built another one. After fiddling with it for about a week I discovered someone had drilled the main port out to a ridiculous size, and the fuel consumption was terrible; I burned a 1/4 tank of gas in 20 mins! I ended up switching port sizes about four times before I found something that worked well. This was 50 000 miles ago and four years later it still works beautifully. I suggest gathering up about a dozen cores and pulling the ports out of them. You can swap them out like I did until something works.

Author:  SlantSixDan [ Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:06 pm ]
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My preference is actually for finding crusty, greasy carbs still on engines -- the thicker the crud and grease the better, because it means more time has passed since anyone has taken it apart and messed with it! Then get a good quality rebuild kit and go from there.

Author:  Guest [ Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:15 pm ]
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well, thanks for the advice, everything seems ok with the reman junk carb, but i am switching to one of the bbd's i have to see if it makes a difference. compared to the other bbd i have, this reman carb just functions like a POS. i hope this bbd i have works better or im putting back on my 1bbl setup that purred like a kitten and gave me no trouble.

as to the drilling of ports? i only do the ones i know , i have a set of numbered drill bits, and i have learned how to solder up and redrill holes as neccesary. i delt with alot of carbs over the years that things like different jets and what not werent available.

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