That could be; he said "Huh, somebody was just asking about that same thing."
I didn't get the chance to ask any more questions than if they even had it (wife was waiting to go to lunch). Figured if they had it, I would order it, for the future.[/quote]

H'mm...what's the point of having the cable if you don't have the conversion, and why not just get the cable from the source (Imperial Services) in the first place?
That's part of it, but the park lever operation is the other part. Remember, in the stock pushbutton setup, the park lever operates a separate cable that operates completely independently of the gear selection cable. When you throw the lever to "Park", it internally pushes the Neutral button for you at the same time as it throws the parking pawl into position. That's why you have to send in your pushbutton shifter for them to wave their magic wand over, to retain the ability to put the trans in Park by throwing the park lever.

Also, the conversion includes a lightweight spring for the detent ball that bears on the gear selection "rooster comb" in the transmission. If that is not installed, you'll break the buttons within a week!
There is no external gear selection/shift lever on the pushbutton transmissions.
Ah, see, that's just it. They work on the FM principle. ("Magic").

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

At that time, I was unaware it was a "replacement" (or just plain wrong).


I was referring to my assumption that the modifications to the shifter to make it work had to do with the amount each button moved the cable. I had theorized that the IS conversion used the standard late-model shift lever on the transmission and adjusted the amount of cable movement to make it work. I am getting the impression that they do include a new lever with a different ratio. That is probably why they needed a new spring for the detents, the short lever doesn't have the leverage to work against the heavy spring.

BTW, I stopped at theories and didn't pursue fact because I really didn't have plans for swapping a later case trani into the car. I figured when the day came for a stronger trani, I would used the better internals in a PB case. I only thought about the conversion out of curiosity but wasn't willing to put any real work into it as I wasn't planning to use the info.



Part of my frustration was it seemed like each time I mentioned A&A, it seemed like it was ignored. Almost as if it needed to say "Imperial Services" before anybody even read the post.

I noticed the "conversion" cable when looking for other things in their catalog, and really never had a need for it, so I didn't check it out. I posted the info in case someone else wanted a different approach than the Imperial Services conversion, but tried to do so in a way that said "might be another idea" hoping that if they were interested they would pursue it and figure out if it worked. Until now, even you (Dan) didn't know if it was legit or not, but you were convinced that Imperial Services was the only way. I'm not trying to poke you in the eye, and I'm not really mad, but it bothered me that what seemed like a possible idea was ignored without due consideration. Granted, it has now been debunked, but at the time it hadn't been tested but was still ignored.

I guess I should have kept my mouth shut about the "conversion" cable, and in this case I wouldn't have looked quite the fool.

I thought today, that if A&A had the "conversion" cable, and it was what they said it was (in the catalog), I would buy it just so I could put a beefed later model trani in the car later as I had started to doubt (thanks to Dan) that the beefier internals could be swapped into a PB trani. In the end, I guess I saved some money, huh.

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'74 Duster 360, factory 4 speed car

I don't take it as a poke in the eye at all, but let me share with you how it played out from where I sit:

The reason why Imperial Services always gets mentioned is because they are (were, have been) known to offer a complete conversion that actually works to run a '66-up rod-shift trans in a '65-down car with pushbuttons. You mentioned the A&A cable a few times, but there was no certainty and there weren't any details, and the notion of a simple swap-in cable that would do the job without buttonbox mods just didn't make any sense (speaking only for myself) knowing how the cable-shift and rod-shift mechanisms work. Therefore, the A&A idea was a sketchy/dubious one. Finally you shouted "A&A, eh!" today, and I placed a phone call to find out the details, at which point I found out they farm out the conversion to Imperial Services, and the cable they offer is just a service part.

I don't think there was any intent on anyone's part to reject or shout down your ideas or contributions. Certainly there was none on my part.

Now, let's have a (root?) beer.

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

The pushbutton tranny does not have an external shift lever; the cable goes through a hole in the front of the case and mates with the valve body linkage. The only external lever is the kickdown lever.

*edit* Oops, I was reading page 1 and didn't see this had already been addressed on page 2.

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'62 Valiant Signet, White
'98 Dodge Dakota
'06 Jeep Liberty

Growing older is unavoidable but growing up is strictly optional.

I know, I look the fool. Honest, that wasn't my intent.

In all honesty, I never expected you to research it any more than I did. If I'm not interested in doing the leg work as it wasn't something I was planning on using, why would you you? Guess it just rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm down with that, but it has to been good rootbeer.

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'74 Duster 360, factory 4 speed car

Oh, sorry, it just struck me as a "Yeah, how come nobody has chased that A&A thing down?" and since I have a bazillion North America-wide minutes I don't use every month, I just placed the call to get the question answered, is all.
The real kind, not that bilge you can buy at the grocery. (OR, WA and probably BC residents excepted; they can buy real rootbeer at the grocery.)

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

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Exactly.

I was thinking Killians or Kemper, but this Pirates Keg has me interested. Is that something you can get on the other side of the state, Reed?

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'74 Duster 360, factory 4 speed car

Man, I must have really screwed that one up if everybody thought I was talking about an external shift lever on a PB trani. I was aware it was internal, guess I didn't say it well though.

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'15 Chrysler 200S V6
'74 Duster 360, factory 4 speed car

For what it's worth....

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'15 Chrysler 200S V6
'74 Duster 360, factory 4 speed car

Has anyone here actually used the Imperial Services conversion? What options on transmissions does it allow? AOD units?
Since quality rootbeer is a rarity in stores, I periodically check with microbreweries here and on my travels. Some of them run batches of rootbeer now and them.
One can make a decent rootbeer at home, but it is an art.

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1964 Valiant V200, 225/Pushbutton 904
BBD, CAI, HEI, LBP, AC, AM/FM/USB, EIEIO

I've never actualy had Pirates Keg, but i found that at an online beverage store. There is a specialty soda store in Seattlew that stocks over 1000 flavors of soda, and has the receipes for hundreds more that they will mix up on request. http://www.realsoda.com/

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http://slantsix.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16808

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'74 Duster 360, factory 4 speed car