Hehe. Yeah the guy knows slant 6 and ebay. Odds are he knows this site and thread..... Anyone wanna apologize before he gets a bright idea and keeps it for himself as a "one day I'll get around to it..."

Strawman. A starting point based on the factory engineers' work. Change as needed or wanted. With a computer model of it, one can try all sorts of variations in ports, chambers, and passages, and check all sorts of things before casting anything.
Good CAD files beat the heck out of sketches for this kind of thing. From 3D files, you can even make nicely rendered photorealistic pictures!

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The point is I shouldn't have bid as much as I did. I'm sorry if there are inintended consequences.

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I asked the seller why he relisted, and judging by his response you are correct with this assumption Dan.
Alright guys, who's gonna buy the mystery head at the new and improved price? I think it's pretty interesting and historically significant, but I also think it would cost another $500-1000 on top of the auction outcome to make it useable for anything other than what these CAD/CAM guys want it for. Which makes me want to ask why lay out $2K or so to take some fancy pics of this particular head? Is it impossible to do the same with a free (or a tricked out) iron head? Sorry, but I am totally ignorant to the computer modelling techniques referred to in earlier posts.

-James

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About bidding on ebay. I have sold quite a few things on ebay and most of the time it is a seller's market. I've bought things new, used them and then sold them for more than I paid. Strange. Sometimes you find a great deal on something few people want, or an obscure listing where they don't know what they have, but not that often. I have had people bid up my auctions and then retract, both to find the reserve (without asking) and to drive up the price of their own auction for the same thing. In the case of driving up their own auction, they retract at the last minute as they now have someone on the hook for a "better deal" than my auction. When it happens to me I usually block the bidders involved, unless I hear from them and there is a realistic reason. In any event, bidding high amounts early just drives the price up. It creates the perception that more people want the item. The idea that proxy bidding helps the buyer is not really true, unless you are away from a computer and casual about what you are bidding on. If it's a hardcore item you really want, hang tough and don't show your cards. Figure out what you are really willing to pay and don't be driven by emotion or the auction. They call it sniping but it really is your best strategy, just don't wait too long and miss the end. Remember it's your money and not just a game!

Josh,
Just wondering, but why are you bidding again, if you don't intend to buy?

josh, I think you screwed anyone seriously wanting to buy that head. I don't understand why the heck you withdrawn your bid if you read this topic you'll see that anyone would have given tou the money for completeing the transaction.

you got us all down with this kid's game.

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slow down fellas, maybe he just didn't realize the implications.

if we want this item to benefit everyone now is not the time to start flaming. it hasn't started yet, but I am enjoying this thread and don't want it to turn into another pissing match.

to keep these things alive maybe the folks with the cash on hand should start to PM each other, one, to keep things more friendly and for two, to keep a high bid amount off of the sellers radar.

personally I would love to help invest, but its before christmas and I need the cash more than I need the help the head would give me.

I can come up with a couple hundred for a group buy if it helps.
Let me know,
Bill

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Very good question. Take the 2-3K someone will pay for this head and invest it in some R&D porting on a cast iron head from an expert shop and then map the best port and transfer it to all of the ports on another head. Cameron has made over 600hp with an iron head does he really need an aluminum one.

This head will go for more $$$ than it is worth.

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FJD

A good CAD drawing is the best way to transfer that map to whoever wants it. Once you have it, you can present the ports, chamber, or whatever in drawings, templates, solid models, flythrough videos ...

I'd like to see and compare good modified heads with whatever Chrysler engineers came up with for the aluminum head. Including the interal passages, structural details, etc.
... and Dick Landy made 700HP with a flathead Ford V8. So? Cameron's an exceptional hotrodder who happens to like slants. I suspect that several of the racers here would be working with aluminum aftermarket heads if such were available.
More than it's worth to you or me, any way.

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1964 Valiant V200, 225/Pushbutton 904
BBD, CAI, HEI, LBP, AC, AM/FM/USB, EIEIO

I do think that more than $1.5K is kind of overprized for that head. From the pictures I see my guess is that this head is no good for run on a regular engine... I see potential sealing problems all over it and other "bad goodies" such as the air injection provision (I hate emissions and economy minded engineering )

I don't agree with not needing an aluminium head, and while I admire Cameron Tilley, his path is quite easy compared to any guy intending to build a performance street car wich can see some track action. Let me elaborate: if you build an all-out race car, you don't have to worry about a lots of things that are important in a street car, IE cyls pressure at low RPM, the ability of having a broadly spreaded torque and HP curves, as widely spread as you can have, so you don't have a "bitter end"... all that stuff that you kind of disregard when you build a race car. Maybe I'm wrong in my point of view, but I think that you can't compare a race car with a street performance car.

and, sick6, we're all grown ups here... tell me that you buy the fact that he trully didn't realize what was going to happen, better yet, tell me that you're convinced that he bid $1000 at first hoping to reach for reserve and then he "accidentally" entered a "wrong amount" (not feeling where reserve was intended), but he did realize hours before the auction's deadline... I'm not starting a pissing war, what Josh did was plain stupid, now we have no aluminium head. $1.5 K was high but kind of reasonable and had us in a good ballpark for starting this adventure. Now we're screwed! Don't read me wrong, I've bid wrong ammounts, but then my bid retraction was in the same moment. You can't play childish games with a person and hope for him not to get mad at you. We're lucky to see this head relisted again (with a much more larger reserve I think)

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Hey Lou since you have ridden in this car correct me if I am wrong but Camerons car is a street car not a race car. He drives this car regularly. In fact on his 10 sec pass the tech guys threw him out because he had no roll cage, 4 pt harness or other safety equipement required for that kind of ET.

Tom

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Personally, I'm kind of glad Joshua did what he did. Don't know his reasons, can't defend his actions, but I am leaning in the direction that it would be a waste of money to buy this head.

I would rather see the guy keep his doorstop and see the money invested in a head we can all get our hands on. 1.5K wont get anybody a prototype, but it would go a long ways in the right direction, while the ebay head would only cost money and would still need the investment to build copies.

Irregardless of what Josh did (or didn't do), I think what the seller did makes me say let him keep it. I think it is underhanded to pull the listing. I don't trust any of it and I hope it becomes a millstone around his neck.

Someone mentioned that Steve Magnate had a couple heads. If all we wanted to do is measure the head, why not see if Steve would let someone borrow one? That way no one spends $xxx just so it could be duplicated.

My dream would be to see Indy Cylinder Heads produce and sell the head. Pass Doug's design on to them (if he was willing) and let them handle the logistics thus removing the "pots and chefs" scenario. They make enough cylinder heads, it doesn't seem like it would be a stretch for them to setup and cast a couple hundred of a new design. If only....

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that's a whole different scenario
you referring to his black turbo valiant? that's a sweet ride!
I do think that this head is kind of a waste of money for intending to run it as is. My thinking was to purchase the head, cut it and study it and then produce a better design. This is way I'm kind of pissed (not actually pissed) I was willing to buy it and invest the money to make it happen.
chances are that he's going to sell it to a non disclosed identity bidder, and we'd never know what happened to that head neither get a chance to look closey at it. If you were the seller, and someone pulls the "I'll see how much is reserve then retract my bid" trick on you, wuldn't you do the same?
you seriously thinking that a company would tool and cast an aluminium head (or performance cast iron head) for slant six engines? I think that's incorrect, just to be polite I think that if we can't make a "commonwealth" effort, we're gonna end pretty much like tarzan (hanging bareass naked from a tree and screaming like a banze). And the pots and chief scenario is pretty much as good as we're going to get, because everybody has his own ideas and if you're riding on a slant six car ain't because you're talkable into doing what most of the people do. It takes a hard head to make a slant run good, and most of us have just the hard head thing going on...

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