Look, it's your car, time and money. You can do whatever you want with all of them. I hope you do. You will be doing well to please yourself, let alone everyone else. Thats kind of the whole point of this just being a hobby. You are the one who asked questions from the start. The point, I thought, was to make things work. O well.

The "if you think this" then "your that" playing both sides of the conversation is childish B/S, in my opinion. Who are you really arguing with at that point?

I was trying to be clear and was not implying anything. It seems clear you do not want to tune your car anymore. Can you? Thats entirely up to you. There was no B/S in my post, lawnmower engine or otherwise. I did run one of them in one of my go carts as a kid, before I got a faster cart with a McCulloch, so I have a realistic understanding of what they can and cannot do, however.

It sure looked to me like your desires for the car were not limited by the driveability, at least to this point. Or the amount of time it would take. You are already running more cam than what I would consider for myself in a car that I want to drive around. And definitely more compression, whatever it may be. When I wanted a car to do what you seem to want, and I was tired of the comfort level and breaking things with what I had, I ended up with a new Grand National. That was a long time ago, I sold it just this last fall. I didn't leave it alone and still broke things. It had and expensive learning curve. For the last ten years, it ran high 12s on pump gas, radials and in the heat. Easy 11.80's with sticky tires, strip chip and some octane. I could have beat more out of it, but didn't want to. Totally quiet and pulled like a freight train off the line. Felt allot like a stock big block, only much faster. There is allot to be said for that kind of performance. If thats what you want, go for it. I guess my point is it was fun, I drove it all over, but it still cost money and time. Our Dart is a totally different car and we like it for differnt reasons.

No a slant is not going to run like that. Maybe with a complete, no expense spared turbo efi buildup it could. Over the summer I decided to sell the Buick and Keep the Dart. I was not going to make it faster and was only maintaining it, so I got bored. I haven't looked back. I am not going turbo or efi with the Dart. My wife really likes the car and will drive it as much as I will. Cold AC is as much a Priority as anything. This is just about fun for me, something to play with when I have the time. If fun for you is a big block and what it will do for your car, then by all means...

What were you working with a slant for in the first place? Really? In restrospect this whole thing seems counter productive for you.

can we start an o.b.o bid?


I've got a dollar burning a hole in my pocket, so I'll start the bidding there.

I already bid a 400 BB for one day with the slant......

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

whats the monetary value in that? I'm putting dollars toy your donuts. BOOYAH!

The open market can be a humbling thing.

Wow..some of these posts are kinda harsh....Ive been lurking here for some time and following this build for info and insight on how to make a slant something more than just a reliable, durable motor...Maybe these motors are best left in stock tune, happily pulling moms Volare to the store for more milk and eggs.....Most of you seemed to be real nice and informed guys....but i guess i was wrong. A junkyard bigblock in this guys car would shut most of you up in a hurry at the track, or on the street..I wish this guy well and hope you all lighten up a bit......

Apparently you missed Bren's big claims and the fact that he dismissed almost every thing he was told as nonsense.

Bring your junkyard pig block to Illinois. I'll smack it down like a little beotch.

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I am a bit confused here. I join your board, I listen to 10 different ways to build a slant. For example:
Some say bigger carb some say smaller. which is it? This is only one example.
Show me where I haven't been greatful for your input. I ve listened to all input in its wide variation and made discisions based on it. I am now to the point of realizing that the slant is not capable of the performance I am looking for.
From this quote you can see what I was hoping for. Even Slantzilla thinks it unresonable to get to big block performance from a slant 6.

Welcome aboard Leeningtowerofpower. Its nice to have a new perpective.

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No, I don't think that big block power is unreasonable for a Slant, I was just pretty sure you were whistling out your behind. Your combination could not make what you claimed. Remember, a stock 440 Mag is rated at 375. I make that easily with my good motor and a hose. You almost died when yours only made 236 under way less than ideal conditions.

Lest you forget, I have been faster than most here, and did have the fastest street Slant in the US for a long time.

I still say you are giving up way prematurely. There is a lot left in that motor if you try.

I also feel that if you appraoch a pig block build the same way you did this Slant, you will be sorely disappointed again.

Blown 70-load that small block up and bring it too. I'll smoke you guys 2 for 1 and not break a sweat. Now piss off too.

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If you are looking to find ways to build an absurdly expensive non-performer this is the way to go. Mebbe you should lay down $4000.....

I chose to build a conservative combination out of used parts , careful planning and a lot of in house craftsmenship.......my slant cost about $1200 , runs on 87 octane, will climb a grade at idle in 1st gear ....taught 3 kids to drive,,,,,and puts a grin on anyone face who drives it. Its tractible enough to let my sons dittzy GF drive to work. ......and, oh yeah, its faster than Brens car.

Yep thats harsh......but we have had to listen to endless shyte for way long.

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Yeah....Im the one who destroyed this rare, vintage automobile.....

Im a noob huh..buddy, you got no idea.....take another hit off yer tail pipe
and calm down.......hostility never gets you anywhere....

If the shoe fits

Oh yeah, piss off.

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are you sure? i put a small block in my cuda, and charlie_s is faster than me w/a stock slant and a cam. i would be remiss in saying a small block or big block can't be faster, but its not a drop in and go thing any more than the massive undertaking eileen was.

bren, i understand your disappointment and i think your build has more to give. more convertor would be the first step to doing it along with some careful tuning.

in any case, i have had big block a-bodies, and i don't care for them. Hard as heck to work on, and the front end feels heavy when u drive. when u get your RB in there, you will see what i mean. and forget about changing spark plugs. but for launching in a straight line, figure out how to get it to hook up and it'll be fast.

good luck.

sb

Ya know, I've seen slant cars run 13s and I know there are some out there faster than that. Yeah, a big block *can* be made to go faster, but it takes tuning and skill to make it happen and most of all, perserverance. Now, after having spent several thousand on the current build and bailing out so quickly I dare say that the latter is sadly lacking and the big block will go the way of the slant with the erstwhile owner bitterly dissapointed. But it's not my money so have at it and enjoy yourself. You'll find plenty of support at bigblockdart.com.

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Bren you must realize that while there are quite a few people who know what they are talking about and have the success to back it up, there are plenty who talk out of their exducer and cannot discern fact from fiction. They don't even realize how stupid they sound to anyone who knows what is really going on. It's been this way ever since I started working on cars a long time ago. My reply has always been, its your car, you can do whatever you want. Just don't expect me to step on the brakes so you can win.

Among those with good advice, there is some variation, but not that much. When someone, and I think I saw it here, talks about running 87 octane with 11 or 12 to 1 compression and a blower or turbo, this is total BS. It's not a matter of being the brighter guy, it's a matter of believing total BS. The brighter guy would not open his mouth and say something like this.

If you weigh equally against sincere advice from guys who have really made combinations that work, thats totally your own fault.

Myself I'll argue some points with a guy like Dan, but there is no malice and I respect his knowledge of these cars and what works. I like to see proof, and I think he likes to push subjects for the same reason. But when it comes to performance, I've done and seen quite a bit, so I can be rather pointed.

There is plenty of good and bad advice on this board. But you have to figure it out for yourself at some point. Who pays your bills? Simple math proves or disproves many engine related things. Use it.

Doing a buildup as involved as yours and not having all the measurements and knowing the compression ratio is a big mistake. It's a beginners mistake and the outcome speaks for itself. It can be fixed. Putting in big valves without proper unshrouding can be a total waste of time. You can't even count on most shops to do things right. Those were two points I tried to nicely make. Pull that head off, measure things and hopefully correct the compression ratio while unshrouding the valves more. It could make a night and day difference. Horsepower is all about airflow and the fuel burn that it supports, no matter how you do it. This engine is not terminal, just not quite right. It's your engine. If it were mine, I'd fix it. I would not be blaming anyone but myself.