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It surely is interesting as all getout! I'm not sure how similar they are; the ultrasonic transducer uses very high frequency soundlike waves ("ultrasonic", higher frequency than humans can here, but they're still the same kind of compression wave) while Kanzius' hydrogen extractor uses radio frequency waves, which are much higher frequency and are electromagnetic sine waves.
Yep! I wonder how (if) this idea is going to develop. Will we see a return to external-combustion engines like the Stirling? Or will this kind of setup be used to provide hydrogen in real time for internal combustion? Or will it show a lot of promise and practicability and then disappear from the radar?

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That was facinating, but then you have to ask the question, which they did not address: How much energy does the radio wave generator take? They all talked as if it was not of concern. But you still have to ask it. If it takes less energy than is released in the hydrogen from the salt water, then he really has something.

It is my understanding that there are many other people that are working on this kind of thing right now. It seems as if the minds of creative scientists become united to solve a particular kind of problem from time to time. An idea will get in the airwaves so to speak, and it becomes unstoppable. The ariplane was an example of this, as was atomic power, and quantum physics principals. Navigation was another one, in ancient times. People all over the world were on board and working on each of these ideas at the same time. Often in isolation from one another, but running down similar paths, and feeling really compelled to solve the problems associated with the challenge of the time.

There is energy in every molecule, of everything, and up until now, we have pretty much limited ourselves to burning things to release it. It seems as if there might be other, more efficient ways to release it. If it is to be found, the political and economic climate seems right. Atomic energy was of course the exception to this practice of burning things to release it's energy.

Sam

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Right! There is a fixed amount of energy required for disassociation of water into hydrogen and oxygen, which is exactly the same as the energy released when the components are burned. Since there'll be losses both in applying the energy to dissociate and in collecting the energy from burning, you've got a net energy loss. But even if the demonstrated process is a net energy consumer, it still has the potential to reduce pollution from vehicles. A small engine running at a fixed speed to power an electric generator producing the electricity to run the RF box can be made a great deal cleaner and more fuel-efficient than a larger variable-speed engine directly driving the vehicle.

And if absolutely no other benefit exists, this process does solve a whole lot of hydrogen/oxygen transport and storage issues.
Yup. There's a principle, the name of which I forget, stating that once mankind are ready (in any/every sense) for an idea, it will spring forth and propagate. Even if you had a magic gun to shoot the first person to come up with a given idea (the nuclear bomb, for example) the instant after he had the idea, or for that matter the instant or day or year before he had it, the idea would shortly occur to someone else.
Yup. It'd be nice if there were less tendency amongst the general public to insist that (fill in the blank) is impossible and therefore not worth funding or studying. And it'd be really nice if that kind of sentiment, together with vested interests in maintaining the status quo, weren't amplified into real muscle against innovation. But by and by, innovation does occur and persist.

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What a wonderful and optimistic summary. Ideas win out in the end over ignorance.

Dan, was the word you were looking for "zeitgeist?" That's at least close.

Lou

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Naw, "zeitgeist" isn't what I'm thinking of. That's more of a descriptive term for the general attitudes, values, ethics, and spirit of a given society or group at a given time. This what I'm thinking of is more of a law (in the sense of "principle", not in the sense of "regulation"). Like Moore's Law (transistor density on integrated circuits doubles every 18 months) or Godwin's Law (in an argument or debate, he loses who first calls the other party a Nazi). I just can't remember whose law or principle or effect it is that I'm talking about!

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Any thing to do with Murphy? He seemed to have a lot of laws.

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