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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 6:41 pm 
Well I haven't post here before, but from reading some of the posts I can see there are some knowledgeable folks here so I am asking if anyone can shed some light on my problem.

Several days ago my 86 started to idle weird, fast, slow, almost stall, then OK, then the same thing again. And backing off down a long hill would cause back fireing in the exhaust. I don't run a muffler, just the cat converter makes it quiet enough, so backfires are noticable. The last day or so it is running fine again. However it won't ping normally. Usually, with the timming set where I have it, it will ping going up a hill if I don't shift and keep it running at a reasonable rpm. And after an oil change today and just looking around it seems the exhaust pipe looks to be rich, that is black. Could be from idleing after the oil change, but I don't think so, don't remember black there. Maybe it is running rich? Therefore no, or much less tendency to ping? Could the timming be retarded? This is what I thought till I say the exhaust. However it has normal power, and seems to run normally except for the change in the "ping". Anyone got any ideas. Sure would appreciate a tip or two. This thing isn't like the old ones.

Thanks, Tom

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2002 11:25 pm 
well, i had a problem similar to this, first off has the timing chain ever been repaced, that'd be my #1 guess, and the carb rebuild and full tuneup would be my next best guess (any signs of flooding when the idle dropes?? how do the plugs look?? do you hear poping noises from the exhaust?? could be missing on a cylender check the most basic things and work your way up from there

Justin
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:
: Well I haven't post here before, but from
: reading some of the posts I can see there
: are some knowledgeable folks here so I am
: asking if anyone can shed some light on my
: problem.
:
: Several days ago my 86 started to idle weird,
: fast, slow, almost stall, then OK, then the
: same thing again. And backing off down a
: long hill would cause back fireing in the
: exhaust. I don't run a muffler, just the cat
: converter makes it quiet enough, so
: backfires are noticable. The last day or so
: it is running fine again. However it won't
: ping normally. Usually, with the timming set
: where I have it, it will ping going up a
: hill if I don't shift and keep it running at
: a reasonable rpm. And after an oil change
: today and just looking around it seems the
: exhaust pipe looks to be rich, that is
: black. Could be from idleing after the oil
: change, but I don't think so, don't remember
: black there. Maybe it is running rich?
: Therefore no, or much less tendency to ping?
: Could the timming be retarded? This is what
: I thought till I say the exhaust. However it
: has normal power, and seems to run normally
: except for the change in the
: "ping". Anyone got any ideas. Sure
: would appreciate a tip or two. This thing
: isn't like the old ones.
:
: Thanks, Tom



slantsickness@hotmail.com


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 2:28 pm 
Quote:
: well, i had a problem similar to this, first
: off has the timing chain ever been repaced,
: that'd be my #1 guess, and the carb rebuild
: and full tuneup would be my next best guess
: (any signs of flooding when the idle
: dropes?? how do the plugs look?? do you hear
: poping noises from the exhaust?? could be
: missing on a cylender check the most basic
: things and work your way up from there
:
: Justin


Well the timming chain isn't new, the engine has only 170,000 on it, I have had them last a lot longer, Don't think it is that anyway, runs too good now for that. Still have black exhaust pipe, but is running well today, no pinging still. Carb hasn't been ribuilt, that is a possibility. It could have been flooding when it was nearly stalling from low speed. Other parts, wires, plugs, cap and rotor not new but not that old.
Thanks for responding.


t4444@ids.net


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 3:55 pm 
An 86 what? Truck?
When my slant 6s have weird idle problems, often it is just the nuts are loose that hold the carburetor to the manifold.

cfield@ll.net


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2002 7:54 pm 
Hey
well if you have a timing light i'd check and see if the timing wobles around abit, those plastic gears are famous for wearing out or jumping a tooth, if you dont you can also check this the hard way, take the dist cap off and watch the rotor while turning the engine back and forth by hand, it should have almost no lag time in it, if it does, could be the timing chain, i had one go at 123K on my truck, like i say i'd check the carb too.

Justin
Quote:
:
: Well the timming chain isn't new, the engine
: has only 170,000 on it, I have had them last
: a lot longer, Don't think it is that anyway,
: runs too good now for that. Still have black
: exhaust pipe, but is running well today, no
: pinging still. Carb hasn't been ribuilt,
: that is a possibility. It could have been
: flooding when it was nearly stalling from
: low speed. Other parts, wires, plugs, cap
: and rotor not new but not that old.
: Thanks for responding.



slantsickness@hotmail.com


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:01 pm 
Quote:
: An 86 what? Truck?
: When my slant 6s have weird idle problems,
: often it is just the nuts are loose that
: hold the carburetor to the manifold.


Yes, it is a truck, 1/2 ton. And thanks guys for the ideas, I will check all these things. I think it is something else though, will have to dig deeper I think. A loose carb wouldn't make it run rich, but lean I would think. And the timming doesn't seem to be off, runs too good, just like normal but black inside exhaust pipe, and will not ping at all, when it used to if I loaded it too much at too low a rpm. But as I said, thanks, and I will be checking it out.

t4444@ids.net


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 7:55 pm 
Believe it or not I've had a sticking PCV valve cause these same symptoms. After pulling my hair out it was a $5.00 PCV valve.

mwhiteho@hotmail.com


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2002 8:30 pm 
Quote:
: Well I haven't post here before, but from
: reading some of the posts I can see there
: are some knowledgeable folks here so I am
: asking if anyone can shed some light on my
: problem.
:
: Several days ago my 86 started to idle weird,
: fast, slow, almost stall, then OK, then the
: same thing again. And backing off down a
: long hill would cause back fireing in the
: exhaust. I don't run a muffler, just the cat
: converter makes it quiet enough, so
: backfires are noticable. The last day or so
: it is running fine again. However it won't
: ping normally. Usually, with the timming set
: where I have it, it will ping going up a
: hill if I don't shift and keep it running at
: a reasonable rpm. And after an oil change
: today and just looking around it seems the
: exhaust pipe looks to be rich, that is
: black. Could be from idleing after the oil
: change, but I don't think so, don't remember
: black there. Maybe it is running rich?
: Therefore no, or much less tendency to ping?
: Could the timming be retarded? This is what
: I thought till I say the exhaust. However it
: has normal power, and seems to run normally
: except for the change in the
: "ping". Anyone got any ideas. Sure
: would appreciate a tip or two. This thing
: isn't like the old ones.
: Thanks, Tom


It could have something to do with the EGR valve, see if that is operating correctly and that the passageway is clear.
I am a bet "weak" on these, are there any feed-back sensors that help the computer adjust mixture? (temp or O2 sensor?)

I know that's not much to go on but just some ideas on possible places to look.
DD


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:40 pm 
Quote:
: It could have something to do with the EGR
: valve, see if that is operating correctly
: and that the passageway is clear.
: I am a bet "weak" on these, are there
: any feed-back sensors that help the computer
: adjust mixture? (temp or O2 sensor?)
:
: I know that's not much to go on but just some
: ideas on possible places to look.
: DD


Yes, I will be checking the EGR, and there are a few sensors that sense engine temperature. I got my brothers factory book on 87s which are about the same as far as I can tell. It looks like it could be a bit*&. Thanks for your ideas.

t4444@ids.net


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:42 pm 
Quote:
: Believe it or not I've had a sticking PCV valve
: cause these same symptoms. After pulling my
: hair out it was a $5.00 PCV valve.


Well it is worth a shot, I haven't replaced that in a while. Thanks!

t4444@ids.net


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:48 pm 
Well today on the way home it started to cut out, like it was running out of gas. Had to go up a couple of hills in second at low throtle to keep in from cutting in and out. Then before I got home it was back to running fair, but with slow idle. I am beginning to think a piece of dirt in the carburator is floating around doing various bad things, it acts like that anyway????

When I got home I drained the fuel filter, didn't have a new one (yet), looked at the plugs (not bad) checked hoses, and put on a new cap and rotor, haven't done that for some years, have been meaning to for a while. Will be taking girlfriends car tomorrow for other reasons, and will get a fuel filter and pvc valve and when I get home try and check out the temp sensors.

And thanks guys for ideas.

Tom
Quote:
:
: It could have something to do with the EGR
: valve, see if that is operating correctly
: and that the passageway is clear.
: I am a bet "weak" on these, are there
: any feed-back sensors that help the computer
: adjust mixture? (temp or O2 sensor?)
:
: I know that's not much to go on but just some
: ideas on possible places to look.
: DD



t4444@ids.net


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:36 pm 
One more thing to check for. Is it automatic or manual transmission? The Auto trans trucks have two pick-up coils in the distributor. On my 87 the run coil went into a intermittant failure mode. When the run coil fails, the computer switches over to the start coil, and then it runs in "limp" mode. The run coil in mine went to open circuit after it warmed up to a certain temperature. Worked fine with cold engine, then exactly the same number of miles after a cold start the enigne lurched when the run coil opened and the computer switched to the start coil.

oh, as far as I can tell, the 1986 and 1987 slant 6 trucks and service manuals are identical. Even use the same part number ESA computer.

cfield@ll.net


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:43 pm 
Quote:
: One more thing to check for. Is it automatic or
: manual transmission? The Auto trans trucks
: have two pick-up coils in the distributor.


It's a manual, and I think there is only one pickup in the distributor, Thanks though. Tom

t4444@ids.net


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2002 7:21 pm 
Yep, the manual tranny truck only has one pickup coil. When that one fails it leaves you stranded.

cfield@ll.net


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