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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:45 pm 
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Im finally replacing my leaking exhaust gasket. When I take the nuts off of the studs and disconnect the exhaust at the bottom, should the intake/exhaust manifolds come off easily or will they be hard to get off?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:53 pm 
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When I did mine, all the bolts came out easily; there's a good chance I got lucky.
When putting it back together, I made the critical mistake of not seeing the difference between inch/pounds and foot/pounds.
Do not overtighten the flange bolts on reinstallation, or you will be in the same leaky boat that I'm in. :wink:

On the other hand, I'm sure the job will go much quicker the 2nd time..

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:58 pm 
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The manifolds will come right off once all the nuts are off.

The difficult piece of the puzzle is the nuts themselves. Start soaking them with penetrating oil now... don't be afraid to heat them red hot with a torch if need be... broken studs are a pain. Drain the antifreeze first, as it is entirely possible that you will back out a stud as you try to remove the nuts, and some of the studs go into the water jacket.

When reassembling, use the article posted on this website for great tips.

Lastly, consider using a a gasket with some crush potential. Do a search on Remflex... they have been well spoken of.

All in all, this is not a hard job, and once you do it the first time you'll be a pro!

-Mac


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:20 pm 
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I guess I didnt get all the nuts off because I cant pull it off. All the nuts so far have come off very easily besides one, but when I was unscrewing the nut the whole stud came out.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:25 pm 
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If you use Doorman brass nuts they will come off pretty easy the next time because they will not rust on to the stud. On install use silver "Never Seize".
I have had mine off and on several times replacing gaskets and manifolds. The ROL brand is not so good, Aussie one is ok, just don't spring a leak around the studs, the Aussie gasket will delaminate. The REMFLEX gasket seems to be working very well and has plenty of crush.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:37 pm 
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75PlyDuster: There are 13 studs holding this in place. Did you get all 13 nuts off?

If they are all off, and the exhaust pipe is disconnected, then the intake and exhaust manifolds will come off together. You may need to pry just a bit to get them loose.

There are 3 bolts that hold the intake to the exhaust, but you really don't need to separate the intake and exhaust manifolds to remove them.

-Mac

BTW: I just did this procedure on my car a few months ago. Twisted off the innermost bolt that holds the intake and exhaust manifolds together. :( But after everything is fixed you will be amazed at how much more pleasant it is to drive without that putt-putt-putt of the exhaust leak. :D


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:11 pm 
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Is there any way to get rusty nuts off? All the nuts from the studs came off easily, but the exhaust manifold to exhaust nuts seem like they are rusted with the stud. Ive tried penetrating oil and it doesnt seem to help at all.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:08 pm 
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Give 'em some more time; penetrating fluid doesn't work right away.
If you have a torch, some heat would likely help.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:39 pm 
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Yes, Kriol.........it works in minutes.....amazing stuff!

However, just buy new brass nuts and studs and some loctite for the studs.
Use silver Never Sieze on the new studs with the brass nuts.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:03 pm 
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I feel so stupid. I just found out I was turning it the wrong way. Dont know how I made that mistake. :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:14 pm 
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I feel so stupid. I just found out I was turning it the wrong way. Dont know how I made that mistake. :oops:
Rightie tightie,
Lefty loosey.....


(unless it's lug nuts on the left side :lol: )

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:37 pm 
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Yes, Kriol.........it works in minutes.....amazing stuff!
I second that. If it weren't for that stuf I never would've gotten the leaf springs off my truck. PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench, WD-40 all have NOTHING on Kroil. I keep a 1gal can in my garage.

Matter of fact, I think that's one of the ingredients in Dan's engine cleaner soup recipe...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:21 pm 
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I hit the nuts with PB Blaster and let it soak in for a day or so, then slowly tried to loosened the nuts. I repeated this cycle over a few days and avoided over-torquing the rusted nuts and breaking off a stud.

Within a week I was able to remove the manifold with all studs in good shape. I then soaked the nuts and washers in PB Blaster. Some of the other products may work well, also. A friend mentioned PB Blaster to me and it work fine. Whatever you use, patience is the key.

-TJ


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:20 am 
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I finally lost patience with my manifold to exhaust-pipe-flange studs when I had to replace my intake gasket.

It's not a terrible sin to simply twist them off and be done with it, then replace them with nuts and bolts. Much easier to deal with the next time, as you can simply twist them off again if they have seized.

The one that gave me real fits was the innermost bolt that holds the two manifolds together (just inboard of the carburetor). That one twisted off, and I had to drill it out, tap the hole, and replace it (this time with a grade-8). I believe Dodge replaced that bolt with a heavier one sometime in the early 70s.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:51 am 
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Rightie tightie,
Lefty loosey.....


(unless it's lug nuts on the left side :lol: )
I had a neighbor jump up and down on a lug wrench, as I tried to remember how to say 'left' in Spanish. Escierda, or something. Replaced them all with right-hand thread, including broken one :| You can't blame a guy for trying to help.


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