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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:12 am 
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It would be catastrophic if the head breaks off..........
Not gonna happen.
I've seen it happen. Granted, it wasn't on a slant ( I think it was a Ford V8
Well, there you are, then. I donno about you, but I stay away from Fords for a very good reason.

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Well, in a previous life I worked as a mechanic in a general garage and at a couple of Ford dealerships... kind of hard to avoid them in that situation. I've never owned one though and it's unlikely that I ever will.

Unrelated, but perhaps of some interest... my grandfather invented a diagnostic device for the Model-T ignition system. As is often the case, he was a day late and a dollar short as the Model-T was discontinued shortly afterward.

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More than likely the lash will loosen over time. This will result in higher than normal valvetrain wear and give an abnormal wear pattern on the camshaft. The cam lobes have a clearance ramp designed to gently take up the lash before opening the valves. If the lash becomes excessive, the cam begins opening the valves before all the lash is taken up. This area of the lobe has a much higher acceleration rate than the clearance ramp. Once operated over time in this state, it often becomes impossible to restore quiet lifter operation with an adjustment because the cam has now worn on the opening part of the lobes which is past the clearance ramps.

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I have to disagree here .......
With my quite a few years experience with not only the Slanter but
also the V 8's, I have to say that SlantSixDan is right on the money
with his explaination.
What he said is what will happen 99 % of the time.
Please read my post again and explain your comment.

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Mitch
Okay ......
Way back when ............. ( I'm 66 years old )
My buddy and I had a Race car shop in Detroit.
Probably 75 % of our work was head work, comp valve jobs, port
matching, etc.

I have never seen cam wear as you describe from loose valve
adjustment. I have seen excesive cam wear on some small block
Chevys but that was due to the cams being made from too soft metal.
I have never seen a valve head break off due to excesive clearance.
I have seen the bottom of a lifter warn through from getting stuck
in the bore from excesive clearance.
With too much valve lash clearance it does beat hell out of rockers
and valve stem heads.
I will grant you that in some very rare instance anything can happen,
given all the right circumstances. But as I said 99 % of the time the
results will be as SlantSixDan described. I didn't see the need to repeat.
Back then, running NHRA stock, one of the tricks was to run the lash
alittle on the loose side to gain a better top end through the traps.

I once had a 1955 Plymouth V8 that had Hydraulic lifters so loud it
sounded like a Thrashing Machine. I put about 30,000 miles on that
car after replacing the timing chain, it ran fine (just clattered alot :-).


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I had a '68 Dart a few years ago that had a 170 in it. It ran really well and then began to lose power as was evidenced when pulling steep hills or running 70 mph on the interstate. When adjusting the valves, I discovered that the exhaust valves all had too little clearance and were not fully seating, allowing much of the "power" to escape through the exhaust. The intake clearances were spot-on. The Dart was back to it's former self after this adjustment. I expected to find all of the valves with too much clearance, but I did not. The intakes were correct and the exhausts were too tight.


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That's common; what you were noticing was valve seat recession. It usually seems to attack the exhaust side first. (I presume because the exhaust valve is physically smaller and has less surface area to transfer the heat through, but I could be wrong.)

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That's common; what you were noticing was valve seat recession. It usually seems to attack the exhaust side first. (I presume because the exhaust valve is physically smaller and has less surface area to transfer the heat through, but I could be wrong.)

Mostly because it's the exhaust valve and runs hotter due to the exhaust going thru it. The intake gets a cooling flow of air when it's not seated, the exhaust gets well the exhaust...........

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Hi,
I am planning to do a valve lash later today on the Valiant and was reading through all of the posts that the search function brought up....As a child growing up, my dad drove a '70 Plymouth Duster with the 225 slant six. He bought it new and drove it until about 1984. I don't know if he ever had the valve lash done....at least not during the later years of it's service. I will always remember that sound of the ticking lifters/valvetrain from the Duster as he arrived home from work everyday....they announced his arrival. I bet I could hear that car a Block away.LOL...nico


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First hand experience here.. I bought a 79 Dodge van, it idled like crap when I bought it. I adjusted the valves and I'd say that at least 5 valves were too tight. I know the original owner never had them adjusted. Idled much better after adjustment. Just my 2 cents... :lol: P.S, is this Gup's van?

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