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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:28 pm 
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I have 34 inches from the heat shield on the firewall to the radiator. There may be another inch behind the shield. There is plenty of room width wise and the height of the block shouldn't be a problem either. I may have to run a modified oil pan. The way to pass the emission test, if Alabama had one, is by using an ecu from an OBDII vehicle that is factory force inducted. Just about any ecu can be adapted to the /six by changing the base fuel pressure or using different size injectors to compensate for displacement differences and feeding it the needed sensor signals(map,rpm,iat,temp,etc...). Final fuel trims can be adjusted with a SAFC or other piggyback(allows you to lean the car out for testing too). I agree it is technically illegal but I don't think I would get a fine even if I begged for it.
I'm trying to keep this around $3000 so no hemi for me. There is a guy that has transplanted a Mercedes V8 into his but it took him about two years and a bunch of dough. The /6 is different and will make good power reliably.
Thanks for the other measurements Frank.


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Let us know what parts you use to build an OBDII fuel injection system for the slant six, especially for under 3k. In fact, I am pretty sure everyone would love to see a writeup of how it is done.

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Let us know what parts you use to build an OBDII fuel injection system for the slant six, especially for under 3k.
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I would only use an OBDII if I was going to try and pass an emission inspection(my car came with OBDII). OBDI is a lot easier to find and cheaper in the Junkyards. I'm not going to be running ignition from the ecu or sequential injection because there is little if any advantage to that in WOT. Choosing not to run sequential injection also opens the door to using an ecu from something like a 4cyl turbo(for example purposes) and using larger injectors or higher fuel pressures to compensate for the difference in displacement and again the SAFC to fine tune the difference in VE. Of course it is easier to use an ecu that is closer to the 3.7L displacement of the /6. I'm going to look around and see what I can find that is cost effective and can still deliver enough fuel for my goal.


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I would not bother with the SAFC. Some folks call them Stupid Air Fuel Controller because they are quite primitive and limited. Megasquirt is a much better choice than most any and every OBDI ECU. The first OBDII cars are already 15 years old so that hardware is cheap, but most of those ECUs are inflexible so we're back to Megasquirt as our budget friendly ECU.

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For what it is worth, the cheapest and easiest fuel injection system I can think of that would "bolt-on" to a slant with minimal modification would be the 1996 only Ford truck MAF sequential fuel injection. It is MAF so would automatically sense the size of the engine and cam characteristics, it has the same firing order as the slant six, and it is for a six cylinder. The hardest part would be adapting the Ford distributor to the slant and plumbing the fuel supply.

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personally I worked at a chrysler dealer, and have worked on cross fires, I would personally recommend finding a trans shop thats either specailizes in MB tranny's or a european tranny's. IF you want to make a track car, strip the car to a shell, and rebuild it the way you want.

And I could almost guarntee that if and I mean IF a slant with tranny fits ( it would have to be an auto, cause the shifter would probably be against the rear bulkhead if not in the trunk for a manual) personally I love the slant, but not in a crossfire, the SRT6 is an amazing car, although to small for my liking, have you talked to a tuning shop near you ?

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Reed could you use the Ford EDIS instead of the Ford diszzy?
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The SAFC is quite primitive thats why I would only use it as a fine fuel trim tool. It has gotten a bad name because some people have tried using it as their only tuning device. Like replacing 450cc injectors with 1000cc and expecting it to be able to compensate.
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I would not bother with the SAFC. Some folks call them Stupid Air Fuel Controller because they are quite primitive and limited. Megasquirt is a much better choice than most any and every OBDI ECU. The first OBDII cars are already 15 years old so that hardware is cheap, but most of those ECUs are inflexible so we're back to Megasquirt as our budget friendly ECU.


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It will be somewhat of a tight fit lengthwise but all other directions there is plenty of room. The SRT 6 is a nice fast car, but production numbers are low and there is no way I could ever trade into one at this point(or would want to). Aftermarket support for the car is almost non existant. There is a cold air intake and a $600 ECU reflash. Tuning shops don't have the first clue about Mercedes unless you go to Renntech or Kleemann. My supercharger put out more power than the $12,000 Kleeman kit at 1/6th the price. The turbo'd /6 should kill the SRT-6 at the same power output because of the elimination of the traction control. I have almost stripped the car already. I think most people look at it and think wow thats a $45,000 car but you can get one now for around ten grand with low miles.

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personally I worked at a chrysler dealer, and have worked on cross fires, I would personally recommend finding a trans shop thats either specailizes in MB tranny's or a european tranny's. IF you want to make a track car, strip the car to a shell, and rebuild it the way you want.

And I could almost guarntee that if and I mean IF a slant with tranny fits ( it would have to be an auto, cause the shifter would probably be against the rear bulkhead if not in the trunk for a manual) personally I love the slant, but not in a crossfire, the SRT6 is an amazing car, although to small for my liking, have you talked to a tuning shop near you ?

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I don't want a Maf based computer because they are restrictive and cannot read boost. Volvo has put out a lot of turbo vehicles with Bosch ECU's. I'll have to see what I can find at the salvage yards. The key is pulling all the wiring harness and sensors from the donor car and adapting them to the /6. The plan so far is to use the factory ignition and modify the vacuum and centrifugal advance for boost.
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For what it is worth, the cheapest and easiest fuel injection system I can think of that would "bolt-on" to a slant with minimal modification would be the 1996 only Ford truck MAF sequential fuel injection. It is MAF so would automatically sense the size of the engine and cam characteristics, it has the same firing order as the slant six, and it is for a six cylinder. The hardest part would be adapting the Ford distributor to the slant and plumbing the fuel supply.


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Reed could you use the Ford EDIS instead of the Ford diszzy?
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Dunno. I'm not too knowledgeable about fuel injection stuff, or technical car stuff either. I only got so far in my investigation to compare the motors, firing orders, and injection computer type. EDIS might work, but I couldn't tell you if it would.

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Probably the next easiest system to adapt would be the GM mid-80s 3.8 liter batch fired system. This is trigged of f the 7 pin HEI module, and you can wire that up to the stock lean-burn non-advancing slant distributor. It is MAP and batch fire, but in a daily driver, who cares, especially if you are going to be reprogramming it.

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