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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:32 am 
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Hey All,
Tuesday Noon Update:

Got a NEW Points Set this morning.

The reason that the NEW Points Set was acquired was because Rub Block on the OLD Points Set had worn down.

Had initially gotten a NEW Points Set when the Condenser that just got replaced was acquired, but it wouldn't fit because the Pivot Hole in the Points Set wouldn't fit over the Pivot Post in the Distributor.

This NEW Points Set's Pivot Hole seems to be large enough to fit over the Pivot Post. Whether it actually is or not remains to be seen. NAPA just swapped them with no charge.

Along with the NEW Points Set, also got a NEW Distributor Cap, NEW Rotor, and NEW Ignition Coil.

None of this stuff is any kind of NAME brand. It is all just STOCK NAPA stuff, as am probably going to go to an HEI Ignition System in the near future.

Have had a couple of very generous offers to just GIVE Lorrie the equipment to make the conversion.

Am in kind of a quandary about something though.

The part of the OLD Rotor FROM which the Spark jumps (am going to call it the "Spark Tip") to the Spark Plug Wire Terminals inside the Distributor Cap seemed to be a little short. Like it had maybe "burned" to where the distance between the Tip of the Rotor to the Spark Plug Wire Terminal on the inside of the Distributor Cap was too wide.

This is what led to the decision to get a NEW Rotor.

This morning, when the OLD Rotor was compared to the NEW Rotor, the NEW Rotor's Spark Tip is even SHORTER than the OLD Rotor's Spark Tip, and thus the distance between the Rotor Tip and the Spark Plug Wire Terminal inside the Distributor Cap is even WIDER than it would be with the OLD Rotor.

QUESTION: Is THIS any kind of "factor" about which to worry?

It's not all that hot out today because of the overcast, but the humidity is 99% and one can hardly breathe outside, and there is absolutely no air movement. This is just miserable weather. They call them "dog days".

Am going to just put me back on the bed, and rest up.

Will install the NEW Coil, NEW Points Set, NEW Condenser, NEW Distributor Cap, and am vacillating between using the OLD Rotor or the NEW Rotor, tomorrow morning.

Lorrie already has NEW Spark Plugs, and a NEW Ignition Coil to Distributor Wire.

Was going to get a NEW set of MDS Spark Plug Wires, but no one had any, and upon looking at the MSD Website, what they show as Slant Six Spark Plug Wires doesn't look like what Lorrie needs.

Am going to have to do some MORE research on the Spark Plug Wires.

If all this NEW Ignition stuff doesn't solve Lorrie's problem, am going to have to find out how to diagnose what is wrong. Will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Hope you have having a GREAT day.

JC

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:10 am 
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JC-

If you use eBay, HERE is a set of 7mm Magnecore wires for a slant six for $55 including shipping. Not a bad deal.

99% humidity is brutal. Ever thought of working on Lorrie at night?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:03 pm 
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JC- If you use eBay,

HERE

is a set of 7mm Magnecore wires for a slant six for $55 including shipping. Not a bad deal.
Hey Reed,
The MSD Spark Plug Wires for a Slant Six are almost $89.00 at AutoZone, and they don't show the Rubber Seal that goes over the Spark Plug Tube opening.
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99% humidity is brutal.
It's a combination of moist air from the Gulf of Mexico, and the respiration from the world's largest Pine Tree forest.
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Ever thought of working on Lorrie at night?
No. Am afraid that age, and physical condition pretty much preclude doing such a thing unless just absolutely necessary.

Got some thunder approaching from the SouthWest. Better get the computer off the electrical grid.

Thanks for the Reference URL.

Hang in there.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:26 am 
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Hey All,
Wednesday Morning Update:

Got the NEW Coil installed.

Got the NEW Condenser installed.

Got the NEW Points Set installed and adjusted to 0.018" Gap.

Got the NEW Rotor installed.

Got the NEW Distributor Cap installed.

Got the NEW Coil to Distributor Wire installed.

Got the Spark Plug Wires installed, and triple checked for proper sequence.

Checked the Carburetor for good flow from Accelerator Pump. Couldn't actually SEE the squirt, but got an abundant odor of Gasoline.

Hooked up the Ground Cable to the Battery.

Turned on the Run Switch.

Activated the Start Switch.

Lorrie TRIED to start, but wouldn't.

Pulled the Coil Wire out of the Distributor and held it next to a ground. It was sparking consistently.

What to do next?

The Bendix Stromberg Carburetor may be the problem. Am going to remove it, empty it out. Maybe the Float is stuck. Is there anything special that should be done with it?

Am at wits end.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:33 am 
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See post "else where" :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:19 am 
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I would pull @ least one plug to check... But it doesnt sound like its flooded to me, sounds more like no fuel... ( just a guess of course sense i am not there to see)... I would check to make sure your filter(s) are not plugged up.. So check for fuel flow @ the carb, and work backwards to tank...

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:24 am 
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I would pull @ least one plug to check... But it doesnt sound like its flooded to me, sounds more like no fuel... ( just a guess of course sense i am not there to see)...
Hey Dusty,
If there were no gasoline, then Lorrie's engine would fire with Starting Fluid. But when a small amount of Starting Fluid is put into the Carburetor, there isn't even a cough.
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I would check to make sure your filter(s) are not plugged up.. So check for fuel flow @ the carb,
Am going to take the Fuel Line loose at the Carburetor and crank the Engine to see if there's fuel going through the Filter to the Carburetor.
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and work backwards to tank...
Alright.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:50 am 
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Hey All,
Wednesday Afternoon Update:

Took the PCV Hose off the Bendix Stromberg Carburetor (BSC).

Took the Vacuum Hose off of the BSC.

Took the Choke Linkage off of the BSC.

Took the Throttle Linkage off of the BSC.

Removed the Clips that hold the two Linkages from the BSC.

Removed both the Linkages from the BSC.

Removed the five Screws that hold the Upper Half to the Lower Half of the BSC.

Took the BSC apart.

Carefully removed the Gasket so as not to damage it.

Removed the Discharge Passage Rod.

Removed the Accelerator Pump Inlet Check Ball.

Removed the Accelerator Pump Discharge Check Ball.

Removed the Float Baffle.

These last four items were removed because they are loose, and could possibly come out, the get lost. There is nothing else that can come loose without taking it loose.

The Carburetor interior has a small amount of reddish brown residue in the bottom of the Float Bowl, obviously from the OLD Gasoline that was such a problem with the Valves and Push Rods. And in the Ceiling of the Float Bowl there is a very fine white dust. This all needs to be cleaned.

Am going to have to remove the Float from the Float Bowl so that it can be cleaned.

Have just removed the Float from the Float Bowl. It was held in place by what is called the "Fulcrum Pin Retainer". The Fulcrum Pin Retainer fits under a little piece cast into the Float Bowl just above the Needle Valve Assembly. The Fulcrum Pin Retainer is made of a small diameter Wire about the size used to make a small paper clip.

In order to remove the Float, the Fulcrum Pin Retainer has to be removed.

Put a very small screw driver under the Fulcrum Pin Retainer, and had my finger over it in case it popped out. Gave the screw driver an ever so SLIGHT twist, and the Fulcrum Pin Retainer just disappeared! Have absolutely no idea where it went! It was there one moment, and then it was gone, INSTANTANEOUSLY!

But at least the Float is out of the Float Bowl, and the Float Bowl can be cleaned.

Am going to have to fabricate a NEW Fulcrum Pin Retainer. Don't know that THAT can successfully be done, but what choice do I have, unless the ORIGINAL Fulcrum Pin Retainer magically reappears.

Guys, we're into eating another piece of Mule Meat!

And at this point we still don't know if what is wrong is actually Carburetor related.

Will let you know how everything turns out.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:44 pm 
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Hey All,
Have figured out a Fulcrum Pin Retainer that is a quantum improvement over the ORIGINAL Fulcrum Pin Retainer.

It's simpler, easy to make, will do the same thing that the ORIGINAL Fulcrum Pin Retainer did without a lot of the fuss of installation and removal.

Will have JPGs of the ORIGINAL Fulcrum Pin Retainer from a exploded drawing of the Bendix Stromberg Carburetor, and then JPGs of the actual, fabricated Fulcrum Pin Retainer.

But the next thing in the process is to completely clean the Carburetor Body and Air Horn.

Will keep you all updated on any progress.

JC

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:07 pm 
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Hey All,
Wednesday Afternoon Update:
Here is the NEW Fulcrum Pin Retainer.

This first JPG shows the drawing of the Fulcrum Pin Retainer:

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This next JPG is of the NEW Fulcrum Pin Retainer:

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This next JPG is of the NEW Fulcrum Pin Retainer holding the Fulcrum Pin in place.

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This next JPG is another view of the NEW Fulcrum Pin Retainer holding the Fulcrum Pin in place.

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The Air Horn which goes on top of the Stromberg Carburetor Body holds the NEW Fulcrum Pin Retainer in place.

Will keep you all updated.

JC

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:50 am 
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Hey All,
Thursday Morning Update:

After having cleaned out the Float Bowl of the Reddish Brown residue left by the OLD Gasoline in Lorrie's Gas Tank, and checked to make sure that every orifice is clear of obstruction, have reassembled Lorrie's Bendix Stromberg Carburetor (BSC).

Am going to reinstall it on Lorrie's Intake Manifold, and see if Lorrie's mighty 225 Slant Six will start and run.

There is a leather plunger in the Accelerator Pump that seems to be a bit small in diameter compared to the bore into which it fits, but am hoping that once it is immersed in Gasoline that it will soak up some Gasoline and swell up to fit tight enough to work.

Figured out where the two Check Balls went.

The small one is in the Accelerator Pump Discharge Passage with the Discharge Passage Rod on top of it.

The larger one is in the bottom of the Accelerator Pump bore.

Am hoping that cleaning out the BSC is all that Lorrie needs to finally start and run.

Will let you all know what happens.

JC

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:54 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:38 am 
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Hey Reed,
Thursday Morning Update:

Got the Bendix Stromberg Carburetor reinstalled and hooked up.

Put some Starting Fluid into the BSC. Turned on the Run Switch. Activated the Start Switch. The Starter cranked the Engine.

DIDN'T EVEN GET A COUGH!

Put some Gasoline into the BSC.

Still NOTHING!

Pulled the Ignition Coil Wire out of the Distributor and held it near a ground. Couldn't see any spark, but it is very bright out there. Am not sure whether or not there is any.

Am going to wait till this evening and check for spark when it is dark. But it sounds like there is just NO electricity anywhere.

In the meantime, have the Battery on the Charger at 2 Amps. Will charge it till this evening.

If nothing else, at least the inside of the BSC is clean.

If and when we FIND what is ailing Lorrie, it is going to be something simple.

Checked all the Fuses. They are fine.

Am going to pull the Dash Panel and check to see if everything is alright there. Am going to go back over the entire Start/Run/Charge Circuit.

Am taking this as a challenge.

This is NOT going to beat us.

Am going to continue to check and work on it till Lorrie finally lives again.

There is nothing we won't check no matter how difficult.

Am NOT going to give up on this.

Anyway, it's already too hot to be outside again.

Hope you all are resting up from yesterday.

Hang in there.

JC

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:30 am 
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This having spark one time and not another is making me think that MAYBE juuuusssssttttt maybe the key switch is having issues.... (if i remember its strictly on/off switch?) if so bypass it and test a few times... I may need a good dose of electric contact cleaner.... Just a SWAG... (everything else has been tried) :?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:52 am 
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I guess I would have put it on fire by now...
but maybe try a jumper straight from the battery to the coil? just to see if it starts?
Then to the "low" side of the resistor? see if it starts... etc...

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