I am rebuilding my Carter BBD with a NAPA Echlin kit. I've found some damaged parts and I'm not sure where to find replacements. I've never dealt with a carburetor this large so I'm hoping I can get some advice on where to find parts and if some even need to be replaced. I've got the operation and repair manual and the manual that should show jet and metering sizes.



The vacuum lifter arm is completely destroyed and those metering rods are not identical anymore. Any one know where I can find these?

Also, I don't know the model number since the sticker on top was completely wiped with cleaner at one point. Is the model decipherable from the picture below?




Thanks guys.

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1978 4 door Dodge Aspen, Super Six

Metal tag is the only way to identify the carb for sure. Does it have a bent PCV fitting? That would be a super six carb (one indicator.) There is others like the thickness of the air horn top of the venturies, and the idle circuit orifices.

Are the rods bent? Are they the same? I have a very dark old monitor.

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It's got a bent PCV tube. It's a BBD for a super six, I was just trying to get the number so I could know the jet sizes since i'll probably have to replace those. The rods are the same but one is bent differently than the other.

I hope the pictures worked, my work won't load imgur pictures...

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1978 4 door Dodge Aspen, Super Six

You need spare parts we could look through some of my junk, I know I have a couple of BBD's that are literally just parts...

-D.Idiot

Carter no for the slant six carb is 111-126 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carter-BBD-Mete ... 0e&vxp=mtr

Walker no 85-182 https://buy.walkerproducts.com/carburet ... nents.html

Walker Brand he'll have to get from Baxters locally I think, if they still carry any of those parts at the Walker Warehouse.

$24 on e-bay...he could spend $10 in gas to buzz down to my location and pop $10 for a set of good rods/jets and the lifter and be that much ahead....

-D.Idiot

I didn't think of looking at ebay, that is exactly the part I need too. Thanks!
I checked Walker's site too, I am pretty sure that part is for the 318 BBD, the operation manual states specifically those parts on not interchangeable. Plus it's $6 for the part and $10 S&H. If they had every part I need that would be a good option. Thanks for looking around though.
I am definitely interested in taking a trip down to Salem to see what you can do for me. On top of everything it would also likely be the quickest way to get enough parts to get my Slant back on the street. I'll shoot you a PM.

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1978 4 door Dodge Aspen, Super Six

If you look at the metering rods with a magnifying glass (or if you're really nearsighted like me ), you can see their numbers. If they have the same number, just straighten them and use them as they are. They don't have to be dead straight to function normally. To compensate for normal wear, they can be fine adjusted a little up and down after the initial adjustment. You should try that anyway as soon as you can test drive, it may give you a very felt improvement in driveability.

If the jets look OK, leave them alone. It is a great chance that a more than 30 year old carb will resist giving up it's jets. Brass don't always age very well, so you may end up destroying the jets, or worse - their threads in the carb housing, if you have to use force to get them out.

The vacuum lifter arm is different in super six carbs, see the BBD manual from page 26-> on, for the description of the differences between SL6 an V8 arms.

One of the biggest problems with the BBD, is that the housing is worn where the throttle shafts go through the casting, an overhaul without looking at that spesific problem may just be wasted time.
Take a look at this thread:
carter BBD throttle shaft worn out

Many members have female names for their cars, but the BBD is strictly male! Don't loose it's balls!

Olaf

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Aspenized

Thanks for the advice Olaf. I am aware of the difference in the lifter arm for the V8 and Super 6 engines. The jets have already been removed and are slightly damaged from extraction at some point. The venturi screws seemed to be damaged from installation, it looks like this carb was tinkered with before. Pictures of the jets are below, do you think they need to be replaced?

Main Jets

Venturi Screws

I do not remember seeing numbers on the rods, but I did on the main jets. I think it says 120 on the top, 386 on the bottom. I'll double check both of them tonight.

I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to about the throttle shaft housing. Is that the shaft in the throttle body? How can I check for wear? Just a visual inspection that everything is fit and not jiggling or is there a leak test too?

Sorry for my ignorance, carburetors this big are a whole new game to me.

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1978 4 door Dodge Aspen, Super Six

Jets and screws just need a screwdriver blade that fits them correctly and held square with the slots. If you can get any sort of play in the throttle shaft when moved up/down in several positions, you should get the carb rebushed most machine shops can do it.

Richard

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Part of Tyrde-Browne Racing

If you go to page 22/23 of the BBD manual, you'll probably find the correct parts list for your carb. http://www.mymopar.com/downloads/Chrysl ... 65to79.pdf
There you'll find 3 different sets of metering rods, the 4 last digits in the part number are the ones marked on the metering rods. The metering rod shown above, should be marked 2216. Behind the measurments of the rods in the parts list, you'll find the carburetor numbers that were used on the missing tag, in the example above it is 8136. You'll find the corresponding carb numbers on page 22, so you can compare your findings to what was offered for you car.

The 386 jet size is correct for '78, it measures .086". The only way to know if they are good, is to measure them. Same with the metering rods, the correct diameters are in the parts list, as shown above. Unless someone has drilled the jets, I personally wouldn't bother much.
Well, it started out the same way for all of us, but after my PhDs in brain surgery and rocket science, I managed to get my first carb together again...

Olaf

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Aspenized

Jets and rods don't wear out.

I have remove stubborn jets. Aluminum with brass! Heat with propane torch, spray penetrating oil in. When it cools it draws the oil into the threads. Repeat until it breaks free. Sometimes trying to tighten it a little works to free it up.

My Carters take a ride on the stationary belt sander to true up the top of the bowl, and the bowl top. Set them together without a gasket and look for the gaps.

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93 D350 160HP Cummins Auto Dually Clubcab needs a injector pump
2005 Golden Couch Buick

My metering rod is marked 2229. I think mine should be 2228 since that's the one for non-Mexico automatics. 2229 isn't even on the list for 78s, I wonder if this caused the broken lifter arm and bent the rod.
It felt much less daunting once I got the thing apart, it felt like "whoa, that's it?"

So those jets don't look too damaged to use?

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1978 4 door Dodge Aspen, Super Six

Bent rod .Vacuum step -up piston adjustment. If the rods were set too high the top of rod will hit bottom of tin cover at wide open throttle.Breaks rod lifter.I have heard of rods so high they come out of jet and wont drop back in . Holding the throttle open.