I agree with Charlie and Brian why not just count your best 12 of however many races you attend. That is certainly fair for all parties. You know how Murphy's law works, if you have to decide before you run the race not to count points that is the one you will probably win.

Ron

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I definitely agree.

As the points keeper for the series it makes it much easier for me and helps avoid miscommunications if we simply count the top X races.

Requiring racers to declare their intentions prior to an event as to what they will or won't count for points is cumbersome and frustrating in my opinion.

There is also the mental aspect throughout the year for racers chasing points or the championship. Especially toward the end of the year.

Imagine if Ron Hamby had already declared his max races for the year before Mason-Dixon! We wouldn't have had the dramatic finish to the season that we had.

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OK, so the number of races is a soft limit. Not "This is how many races you can schedule." Great, we can get our second Woodburn back on the schedule!
Those who don't want to tow up there, don't have to!

CJ

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That was why I guestioned the desision to limit the number of races on the schedual to begin with.

Richard

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It may be that someone who has been around for a while would tell us why the rule to waive points at a race was started. I know it used to be that you could only earn points at up to 6 races and anything over that, no points could be earned. You then counted the best 4 for your points. I know that is in the past. But it may help to understand why it was implemented. I think it was to allow someone a real opportunity to compete for the championship without traveling to 8-10 races.

I think the discussion at the beginning of the thread related to both sides of the country having an equal amount of opportunity to earn points towards the championship. If the East had 14 and West had 12 then we would have 2 more chances to better our points total.

The way to take away that advantage is to set a limit on the number that can be attended for points. I'm not saying that is what we should do, but it does eliminate any advantage East to West.

Waiving points was done in the past and maybe there were some issues that arose. I don't know. The way I see it, we are only talking about a small handful of people, if any, every year. If they come to me as the race coordinator and tell me they are not running for points. I will announce it to everyone before the ladder is drawn and let Rob know when I send him a tally of the points for my race. There it's done.

The truth is it would be easier just to count points from your best 5 races (or whatever number) like we do now. But then we have to accept the fact that we will not always end up with the same number races on each Coast. I think I'm Ok with that too.

Ron Hamby Are you suggesting counting the points from all 12 races instead of the current 5 ??

Just want to understand. Again, why were the limits there in the first place? I think to give more people the chance to compete for a championship. Not just those who could afford to travel to every race.

Rick

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The "best of 5 races" for National Championship points is the only way those who cannot attend lots of races even stand a chance.

As soon as one group goes over the 6 weekend schedule, then the location of the "extra" weekend give the advantage to those who are "locals".

Equal fairness in scheduling is very important.

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With the possibility of loosing Redding, we may have a challenge coming up with venues to run at. When I talked to Kirk, he is concerned the Redding track may be unable to support the Lease, which has been set very high. He's hoping they are able to get the 501C3 set up, but does not expect them to operate this year.
Medford may be on it's last year. The County is looking for big money out of the complex, and is looking for a big investor for it. They may chase the small operator out of there. Kirk is working on the property with the hope that he will be able to continue operating for some time.

There are a lot of things going on. Folks on the east coast drive thousands of miles to attend races. It will be unlikely that I will be leaving the state this year. No need to worry about your lot in life. If you can't make races, don't deprive others of opportunities to have some fun. If the championship is what's important, Schedule some more events at Sacramento and some of the other tracks. Top Gun isn't that far for you folks.

Hey Fopar, why don't we set the second Woodburn event up as a Saturday only, single race. It'll keep the folks up here engaged. Call it something else. We can come up with a trophy with some spare parts and a welder!

CJ

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Well as far as Woodburns second race that was something the west coast wanted a few years back, but now seems like they want to do away with it. why couldn't it be put on the schedule and those who want to count as a SSRN event can.

Richard

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Rick I guess my comment was a little misleading. No I am not suggesting to increase the number of races we can count for points. If that comes up for discussion I will go along with the majority. I am saying we use the points from our best races when the season is over. I am not in favor of having to choose before a given race. It is more complicated and simply not necessary.

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Got it Ron. Thanks!

Rick

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Logistics is always going to seem to be the key factor with so few racers spread over such a great area. And to find races centrally located that can draw as many as possible seems increasingly difficult. For the East Coast racers, I would like to even see a division into a North and South group of racers. Down here there are dozens of nice tracks that a lot of us could make to races, but not so much when they are held up North.
The two closest tracks to me that races are held are Knoxville and Bristol. Bristol is really at the outer limit for me as well, but doable at times. Its easier for me to go South than North. And to the South there are several tracks in the Atlanta area, Huntsville, Gainesville and Nashville and Bowling Green could be possibilities.
I know Charrlie_S would like some races closer to him, and other Florida guys would too.

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Put the second race on Richard. It's your gig. Those that don't want to come up, don't have to. Are you going with the single day format with that one? I'm still not a big fan of the two day stuff. Makes it hard for those that are still working, and need to get home on Sunday.

Canceling the second Woodburn discussion was based on a hard limit being imposed on the number of schedule-able races. Since that doesn't exist, we can go ahead and put them on the SSRN schedule.

CJ

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I agree we should put it on, but those from Calif. don't want to put it on as a SSRN race at all. We know we don't want to go to Sacramento as it is too far for us to want to go however it is on the schedule.

Richard

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You two really do enjoy airing your "Killer Bee Laundry", don't you...

(And I can tell you from experience that Fopar's laundry don't smell none too good, neither! )

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Boys', boys,.....this is supposed to be FUN..not a battle for control? As just an observer and Killer bee member...I understood at our meeting at Redding..that we would schedule 1...2day race at each track that we had used in the past??..subject to what the East coast decided on number of races, and any other changes?? Until the East Coast has their dinner and meeting...I doubt they can get that information to Bruce.
Just for your information and anyone else who really cares...Calif is not trying to kill a Woodburn race. As you know..until last year...Edd scheduled races at Woodburn(which is still his favorite race track).Let's all wait until the East coast gets their suggested changes on races, points, etc and gets them to Bruce for our input and approval.
PS: Hey CJ...it is the same distance from Sacramento to Woodburn??
Just kidding...and giving you a hard time.
Let's just encourage everyone to go slant6 racing everywhere they can> Just my thoughts.