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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:16 pm 
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I just measured mine. 0.105 so 3/32 0.097 or 7/64 0.109
Thank you very much. I will buy some JB weld tomorrow, and a 3/32 drill bit!


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Can't imagine what would provoke a claim that these are "junk carbs" or that the car is "supposed to" have a Holley 1920. Neither is a correct guess.

For future reference, applicable carb tag number is 3840s. Floats may be obsolete from some or all of the superficial catalogues, but they're still easy to get. Usually not needed; they don't tend to fail.

This what's plugged with a screw is the vacuum balance port. Some carbs have it and others don't. That screw isn't supposed to be there; remove it and hope the screw hasn't enlarged the hole.

(it's not a distributor vacuum advance fitting, that's on the other side of the carburetor, protruding from the middle (not lower) casting. The red arrow pointing to where the distributor is hooked up is, in fact, the distributor vacuum advance port.)

This carb, like most of them this age, will need more than just a clean-and-gasket-kit job; looks like it's overdue for the throttle body to be rebushed. That takes a specialist or an expensive special tool not worth purchasing if you're not going into business.
^^^^ X2

Most of my slant experience is on '60-'65s, and I've had a fair amount of the '63s and 65s. Out of all of them only one had the Holley, the rest were Carters. And the Carters are excellent carbs, I actually prefer them myself.
To this day I've never heard a plausible explanation on what was the decision maker on what car got what and why.

I even had two almost identical cars, 2 1965 Valiants, 2 doors, automatic transmissions, manual everything, only option I could see was AM radio. (Well, they had heaters if you call that an option.) One had the Holley, other had the Carter.

Only difference was the Holley car had a 170, the Carter was a 225 car. But we know that's not the decider as plenty of 225s had the Holley and 170s did run the Carter.

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Pics in service manual are generic, not specific enough to transform an uninformed guess into sound advice.* The hole is supposed to be there. It was not put there by a shadetree mechanic. It was put there at the carburetor factory. Yes, it's really supposed to be open to the atmosphere. Changing the size of the hole or selectively plugging it is into the realm of advanced carburetor tweaking and tuning, not a good idea to wade into until the basic carb is in as close as possible to perfect unmodified working order.

*Ohhhhhhh yeah…now I remember why y'all don't see much of me on here any more.
THANKS! I appreciate the insight and new knowledge. Does anyone have any info for why and when this was tuned and for what parameter? I can only guess it is for modifying idle transition or balance vacuum for a multi-carb setup....?? The OP has stated on another forum that this carb runs OK (except for very bad fuel mileage), so now I want to understand the 'why', how critical this vacuum balance hole is, and why so many of these do not have this hole

(And don't anyone get in wad...this is not a challenge; it is a question to better my/everyone's knowledge.)


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To this day I've never heard a plausible explanation on what was the decision maker on what car got what and why.
There was no rationale -- Chrysler bought from three carburetor manufacturers: Carter, Holley, Bendix. Many vehicle configurations (car line, engine, transmission, with/without air conditioning, delivery market) were served by two carb companies, so whichever carbs were "in the house" at the build plant when any given vehicle was being built, Carter BBS or Holley 1920 (or Bendix Stromberg WA3, in 1963 only), whichever one came to hand, is the one that was installed.
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Only difference was the Holley car had a 170, the Carter was a 225 car. But we know that's not the decider as plenty of 225s had the Holley and 170s did run the Carter.
For many years, it was common "wisdom", springing from one of the many errors in the Direct Connection (later Mopar Performance) 6-cylinder engine book, that 170s came with Carters and 225s came with Holleys. The trouble with information is it tends to propagate, and, well, gosh: "It must be true, I read it in a book! (or "…on the internet!").

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Does anyone have any info for why and when this was tuned and for what parameter?
It was part of the yearly carburetor calibration exercises. There are very, very few instances of any specific carburetor model being originally installed over more than one model year. Even in the pre-emissions era, even with vehicles that seem like they should be identical except for the model year, even where all the nominal specifications for the carburetors are the same, the actual carburetor model is different and there are differences.
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I can only guess it is for modifying idle transition
Tailoring idle transition and distributor vacuum advance, and also part of the carb vent system in some instances.
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or balance vacuum for a multi-carb setup
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and why so many of these do not have this hole
Some do. Some don't.
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(And don't anyone get in wad...this is not a challenge; it is a question to better my/everyone's knowledge.)
Think. The problem isn't in asking a question to better your knowledge. The problem is in handing out "Oh yeah, I know what I'm talking about, take it from me, I'm definitely sure you should do what I say" advice before you've asked questions to better your knowledge. It's like Readyyyyy… FIRE!!! Aimmmmm…

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Okay, picked up my kit today, and jb weld, and a 3/32 drill bit.
I cleaned the area, and of course removed the wood screw.
It was loosely in there.
I put the 3/32 drill bit on the hole. It slid in, and had slight wobble. But hardly any at all.
Don't know how much wobble I am allowed.
So I Jb welded it shut, and will re drill the hole tomorrow.


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I would've just left it as-is, given the close fit of the drill bit.

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Think. The problem isn't in asking a question to better your knowledge. The problem is in handing out "Oh yeah, I know what I'm talking about, take it from me, I'm definitely sure you should do what I say" advice before you've asked questions to better your knowledge. It's like Readyyyyy… FIRE!!! Aimmmmm…
Some truth to that....LOL Problem is that nobody knows when they do know everything there is to know ... or don't. That applies to everybody. So on the philosophy above, nobody should give advice regardless of experience... they just MIGHT not know EVERYTHING. I've made mistakes and I've corrected others; when I correct others, I look at it being just part of nobody ever knows everything. And I don't give advice because I am a carb or mechnical rookie..... One gains confidence in his/her knowledge and goes with it, in one's own work and in helping others. Regards, Mark B.


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Problem is that nobody knows when they do know everything there is to know ... or don't. That applies to everybody.
Yup. Even me! :lol:

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I would've just left it as-is, given the close fit of the drill bit.
Crap! Wished I would have seen this before I did that. LOL
I will drill is this afternoon. It says 4 hours, but I let it go for 24 hours.
I am going to drop the carb off tomorrow to the guy who did my Holley 1920.
Hopefully he knows how t do a Carter!


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