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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 10:01 am 
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  • Hey long time reader of this forum it’s really helped me a lot over the course of my project. I have a 1965 valiant it’s my first classic car and I’m trying to make it nice daily driver. So far it’s running and driving pretty good after replacing some push rods, rebuilding the carb, and some other maintenance items. I recently bought a supposedly rebuilt .30 over bored super six with a 904 trans I assume it’s a 70s engine.
    I’m not sure weather it would be better to swap just my 65 head and manifolds with the super six head and manifolds or should I swap the entire engine as mine is 120000+ miles. I heard from the other forums that the later slant engines can mount to an early trans with an adapter bushing is where can I get one and is that all for the swap? I’m not sure if any of these are options as I’m not sure about fitment Thanks for your input.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 11:41 am 
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recently bought a supposedly rebuilt .30 over bored super six with a 904 trans I assume it’s a 70s engine.
I’m not sure weather it would be better to swap just my 65 head and manifolds with the super six head and manifolds or should I swap the entire engine as mine is 120000+ miles.
Assuming the engine you built matches its description, you'd be better off swapping it in entire. Putting a nice fresh head on an old block often finishes off worn bottom-end components (rings, bearings) and turns the engine into an oil burner de luxe.

You will have to use your existing automatic transmission unless you're prepared to swap a whole lot more parts; the '65 transmission is shifted by two cables, while '66-up transmissions use a series of rods and levers. Everything's different: steering column, entire shift linkage, also speedometer drive/cable, driveshaft/front universal joint, etc.

In order to put the newer ('68-up) engine in front of the older ('67-down) transmission, you'll need a spacer bushing to adapt the larger crankshaft counterbore to the smaller torque converter nose. Last I checked, user charrlie_s on here has them.

You'll need to use the '65 oil pan and pickup.

Keep in mind, "Super Six" just means a 2-barrel intake manifold and carburetor and associated components (air cleaner, choke, etc). It's not a special/higher-performance block, head, or otherwise like that.

Unless your '65 is a factory A/C car, it has a rotating-rod throttle linkage, not the cable type required for the 2bbl setup. Addressing this can get complex and costly, because it also means different transmission kickdown linkage, the factory parts for which are now scarce and costly. You might want to go in a different direction to have a 2bbl setup, if that's what you want to have. See the parallel 2bbl setup article. Photo documentation of a very well done such conversion is here, and there's a nice pictorial on modifying a 1bbl intake here.

Pay careful attention to the carburetor mount pad angle. It's not supposed to be just flat with the top surface of the intake manifold; it needs to tilt the carburetor forward a bit, so the carb will be upright with the intake installed—the engine has a slight rearward tilt. 3° sticks out in mind, but that might not be correct; measure a stock manifold to find out for sure.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2025 6:43 pm 
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Thanks for the reply Dan, I’ll try to get in contact with Charlie.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:16 am 
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In order to put the newer ('68-up) engine in front of the older ('67-down) transmission, you'll need a spacer bushing to adapt the larger crankshaft counterbore to the smaller torque converter nose. Last I checked, user charrlie_s on here has them.
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I no longer have the adapter bushings. Member Greg Ondayko was having them made.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 10:23 am 
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Hey update, I decided to swap the manifolds and use the kickdown linkage from the 1970s engine. The swap went fine, besides 2 broken studs, but they came off with enough persistence (and replaced). Anyways, got it running and driving again, and it feels like better acceleration. However, I think it has a major vacuum leak. When it's fully warm and I step on the gas pedal, it stumbles and dies no matter how gently I press it. Never had this problem with the 1 barrel. Sometimes, if it doesn't die when I accelerate, it runs fine after 1100 to 1200 RPM and up. I am using a Felpro intake/exhaust gasket, but I ordered a Remflex one to maybe remedy this.

Any thoughts on other vacuum leak sources or causes of this problem? Any suggestions on next steps would be appreciated. Ask me anything I haven't explained well. I am using the carb off the old engine without rebuilding it, however, I wasn't sure if I wanted to invest a 100$ rebuild kit into a carb that might have a throttle shaft leak. Thanks for your time.


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 12:00 pm 
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I replaced the intake gasket with a remflex. Tried to start it up and drive it but it died trying to accelerate with the choke open. I took apart my carb and cleaned it put back together and tried again still dies when I try to accelerate when hot but it does idle Leaner than it did before around 3 1/2 turns out rather than 4 1/2 or so. Im going to replace the carb with a Holley 350 2300. I hear that the 500 is too large for most stock engines.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 5:39 am 
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Hey update on the car, I’m doing what I can to figure out next steps to go with this engine. Really appreciate the input given earlier. I swapped to the Holley 350, I got a pretty good adapter plate and I don’t think I have any vacuum leaks. In general it’s runing pretty good, however mileage is still poor 10mpg, and very occasionally the engine will die accelerating from a stop. I usually can avoid that if I ease into the pedal. From like 30+ mph it feels good. I did a compression test and all my cylinders tested from 120-125 psi within 6-7 cranks. I’m thinking about buying a tuning kit for the Holley, I’m not sure but maybe it’s my ignition. The plugs are the same I changed 2 years ago when I first started working on the car. I’ve changed the coil once but the replacement was shorted new so I went back the old one which worked but maybe it’s on its way out? Seams more like a carb issue to me but let me know what you guys think. I’ve never changed jets or power valves in a carb so not sure what would be better in which situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:32 pm 
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Have you checked the accelerator shot? On either carb you used? It could be that simple. Ignition timing?

You should not be getting 10 miles to the gallon with anything but a dump truck! :D The 2 barrels I have installed have given better power and gas mileage improved also.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 5:53 am 
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I set my initial timing to 10 degrees advanced, I haven’t messed with the pump shot too much both carbs at have a decent shot but maybe it needs adjusting.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 8:11 am 
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I set my initial timing to 10 degrees advanced, I haven’t messed with the pump shot too much both carbs at have a decent shot but maybe it needs adjusting.
Verify that your TDC mark on the damper/pulley is actually at TDC. Sometimes the marks don't line up. I would expect a real world 20ish MPG unless your valiant is a heavily loaded wagon.


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Long shot, but did you check that the vacuum advance diaphragm is good? Seems to me that will also cause rough idle.

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Ive never had a carb that's in good shape and set up right, require 3-1/2 turns out on the mixture screws to run.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 6:04 pm 
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Yeah, could be as simple as two crummy carburetors. Keep in mind that a rebuild kit and an hour of time are only good enough if the carb is in basically good condition and just needs to be taken apart, cleaned, and reassembled. Most of the carburetors potentially applicable for a Slant-6 are well beyond that; they need a lot more refurbishment. Where'd this Holley 350 come from?

Also, how did you handle the (unused on a '65) EGR setup on this '70s intake manifold? There are a few different ways a fault in that area can make problems like you describe.

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