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 Post subject: Flywheel fun!! Yay!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:15 pm 
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Does a flywheel from a cast crank engine work with a forged crank one?
I am specifically concorned with the balance, not the bolt pattern... I know it will bolt right up.




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There should be no difference. :shock:

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why the need for a flywheel? your car looked to nice to fiddle with at carlisle. looking for a lighter weight piece for more revs?

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James,

About 2 or 3 weeks after we spoke I scattered that borg and beck pressure plate - it took out the bell housing and all also took some of the engine block with it.
- Luckily I was noth hurt .

I bought a 79 aspen parts car with a 3 speed and it's a cast crank. As spare parts.

Currently, I am working with a local clutch rebuilder to mate a toyota supra twin Turbo Pressure plate to a slant flywheel.

Also am working with cox bros to fab a bellhousing out of chromemoly steel.

I will eventally post pics either on here or my site.

I was shifting at 6200 and my Press. plate exploded.

Not fun, and Expensive .


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:36 am 
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Why not go with a McLeod set up?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:17 am 
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Thanks for the options,

Couple of questions:

1 - Is the pressure ring nodular or steel material - I really am looking for something that is close to an SFI approved unit.

2 - Does the flywheel need to be redrilled?

3 - Plate pressure



Info and specifics are appreciated - As I am still in the process of figuring this out.


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sucks greg. that car is a real beauty. maybe a good time to swap in a 5 speed! :wink:

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The stock flywheel would have to be redrilled. McLeod would supply you with a steel or alum flywheel drilled dual pattern.

If someone talks to McLeod, it would be worth asking about prices for more than one set since a few of us are interested, it sounds like. They also supposedly have this modular bellhousing thing that would allow for many trannys behind a Slant, but it's only "vaporware" at this point, AFAIK.

I personally want to convert to an aluminum flywheel and 10" diaphragm plate like the one sixty4dartgt is using.

I am running the stock Slant 10" plate now and it slips some, besides the fact that I worry about damage like Greg's.

I am also talking to Jim Cox about the bellhousing issue.

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 Post subject: Options??
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Do a search under my name and you will find some details of my sons installation. We got a McLeod steel flywheel( with dual patterns), Diapragm Pressure plate, and the dual friction material clutch disc for $525. As I have said before, that is dirt cheap if you want to keep your feet!! I had the same type explosion 25 years ago and I never care to have another one.

What kind of Bellousing are the Cox brothers working on? Is this a totally custom one, or is it adapted from something else


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Greg - I'm not sure of your first question, but I will find out tomorrow (it's midnight). As for the others, Dart 270 is correct that McLeod has a flywheel that will not have to be drilled. The aluminum is not suggested for all but the biggest build ups 'cause you lose the internia. As for plate pressure, I don't know if you mean the pedal feel or grip. I had to pull out my factory over center spring because the pedal wouldn't return (it's that soft). As for grip, this set up is good for up to 400 HP.

Dart 270 - I don't know about the price, but I will find out. I have a steel flywheel for the above mentioned reason. Red wants to try to make up a 9 11/16" set for me to try out so that the PP won't have to get grinded. It had some interference with the bell housing. I believe Rick had this same problem. Red wants it to fit as easily as possible.
As for the modular bell housing, He has them now for Ford big and small blocks. He is working on a plate that will allow a 5 speed to bolt up to the stock bell housing for a slant (I'll be trying that out too, when it's ready). Eventually he will have the modular set up for Chrysler big and small blocks (and maybe slants too.)
BTW, thanks for the advice on the FF Moog front end kits. I just got it aligned and the point you made about any rebuild after 30+ years is true.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:18 am 
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sixty4,

Thanks for the info. I need to call McLeod and see where they're at. My heart is set on an aluminum flywheel and I have the big OD bellhousing so clearance should not be an issue with your 10" setup.

I think the inertia thing is not as much of an issue on a Slant since the crank has sooooo much inertia by itself compared to other motors.

Glad the front end rebuild worked well. You don't have to do much more than bolt on good wheels/tires and a front sway bar and these cars handle very well.

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 Post subject: Project Bellhousing
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:00 pm 
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Talked to John Cox today, and He is currently working on a prototype steel bellhousing that will have a stock appearance - Stock starter location, etc. But will be made out of Chromemoly anh should be more stronger than stock cast iron / alum.
It will include a block plate and will have provosions to adapt a T5 as well as the 833.

This is great news As Lou and I spoke with Jim Cox over the Weekend - Now the ball is rolling!
I might even have one By Jan 2006.

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 Post subject: No interference issue.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:48 am 
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Our set-up was a bolt in with no interference issues for us. We are using the 4-speed O.D. belhousing. We had to remove the over center spring and put a spacer under the clutch fork to move it forward, That's it.

The Cox brothers belhousing sounds good.


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I had to space my clutch fork as well.

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Greg - The McLeod set up is SFI approved.
I may have a line on a price for multiple set-up purchase price.
When I know, y'all know.

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