heads up guys... A gal I go to school with has been working for one of the oil companies (chevron, I believe) over the summer, and is starting full time with them in the next month or so. She expects gas to hit $4.50 a gallon in the midwest w/in the next few weeks, and the quality controls are being temporarily lowered. Fill your tanks up now.

...yes, cause a panic and sporadic shortages!!! Hurry up and fill up everything you own, everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D/W

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Time to put in that propane conversion, or start homebrewing some nice ethanol....

time to pull out my Grandfather's gasohol notes!!!!



-D.Idiot

I bet dinosaurs were like "Oh, don't eat too much greens, don't fart so much, look what we're doin with our planet" and so....

not to dismiss all the eco stuff, but our planet has its ups and downs thru the history, and even given the fact that human being has overexploited natural resources... c'mon... there's always another oil vein.

I think that governments and oil companies are trying to get us over the edge so we'll pay any ridiculous amount of money for fuel.

Every energy production requires some pollution, otherwise it won't be generating energy. There's no such thing as pollution free energy generation. Even our bodies produces methane (gently expelled out as farts) in the process of ingesting food-creating energy-dispose all the remaining not useful trash.

I'm sick of reading about the oil peak, wich I consider to be huge BS

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Please use e-mail button istead of PM'ing. I do log in sometimes but I'll be answering quicker thru e-mail.

Obviously there is no "shortage" of gasoline because every gas station around here always has gasoline for sale.

Not here. About half our gas stations were closed yesterday for lack of fuel. The pipelines that supply gas to Georgia lost pumping power in the hurricane, and we had a panic as a lot of people decided to buy gas immediately. I expect most places to have new supplies by next week, but for the time being we have a real shortage in the Atlanta area.

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'66 Dart - turbocharged 225
My blog - Mad Scientist Matt's Lair

just make sure you live in fear of the boogeyman, thats all they are asking.

I like that.

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Matt, what we actually experienced here were shortages caused by panic buying (as you mentioned) and people taking everything they owned to the gas station to "top it off", thereby taxing the system. My workplace was all abuzz with that nonsense on Wednesday, people were calling everyone they knew and telling them to "go get gas before it runs out". That's what caused the lines and sporadic shortages. That same sort of "chicken little" mentality is what caused Black Tuesday.

D/W

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I'm not worried about running out; I know any shortages/outages will only be temporary. What I am worried about is the temporary relaxation of quaily controls. I know it's hard to avoid doing this, because their infrastructure has been seriously compromised, but I can't see paying an extra dollar a week from now, for possibly inferior gas if the station has "good" gas now. I was going to wait until after labor day to fill up, hoping prices would go down. Now, I'm not.

If what you say is true, you'll have to get the inferior crap eventually. I'd bet if anything's being suspended, it's all the custom tailored formulations delivered to different markets due to the environmentalists, though. Everyone, just continue buying gas as you normally do, yes, grumble at that price, it will keep most of us from making a lot of those discretionary trips, thereby reducing demand.

D/W

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I was surprised to see some people actually slowing down some on the highways yesterday in Atlanta. For about a day that is. Now they're doing 80-85 again like there was no tomorrow.

This is just a wake up call (one of many over the last 30 years) and maybe shortage along with $3/gal+ gasoline prices will have an effect on peoples habits this time. It'll get better when the pipelines and refineries come back on line but the trend is already established with world oil prices rising due to exponential increases in demand in the developing countries. Pumping more crude in wilder places will happen but at a higher economic, political and social cost. It may not be pretty, just think Iraq and Nigeria for two examples.

Like it or not we have already entered an era of spot shortage that the petro industry will have a hard time keeping up with increasing demand. We are so tied economically and behaviorally to abundant oil that shortage will have profound effects on us in the coming decades. Enjoy it while you can folks you've already seen the end of the cheap $20/barrel petroleum era.

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Guy, why are you "moparless", and why don't you come down here and give this Duster of mine a good home? It can actually stay in the "family" that way!

D/W

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I wasn't around for the gas crisis in the seventies, but what are the chances people will be getting rid of their big block muscle cars and other gas guzzlers in exchange for hybrids and four bangers.

Yeah, I know, they had some cases of gas stations where people formed lines out onto the streets out of panic. According to the news, they have had a few issues with gas pipelines losing power too, but much of the outages are from panic buyers.

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'66 Dart - turbocharged 225
My blog - Mad Scientist Matt's Lair