I've scrounged up a pickup for a few days and am going this coming week to look at a 225.

I'll post some photos as soon as I get it home.

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I picked up my temp engine...looks good

The number on the side of block is 2806830-6 and the air cleaner says "charger 225"

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Charger 225.... If that air cleaner and sticker are in good shape, let me know how much you want for it...

Nice find! Looks like that paint is in very good shape. You southern guys seem to find the cars with little rust too, since you don't mention anything about rust, and the paint looks nice. Hard to find those in PNW, and we don't even salt the roads (at least here in Oregon).

Look forward to hearing more progress!

~THOR~

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Here's a photo of the Charger air cleaner. From what I'm learning from Dan, this is looking like a 69 or 70 225 that could have come from a Charger.

The air cleaner is dusty/dirty but looks like it'll clean up nicely and the warning sticker is in good shape. The downside is that the "CHARGER 225" sticker is pretty faded, and the word "charger" is pretty worn. Somebody could probably REALLY take their time with a sharpie or something more professional and restore the parts of the word "charger" that are gone.

I thought I read somewhere the other day that they only made about 500 of the 68 Chargers with 225s in them. Too bad it's not a 68...it would be a rare engine.

As it is though, I don't think they made a ton of 69 Chargers with the slant. This engine has had a valve cover gasket leak, so there is a thin coat of oil on the block, but a gentle wipe of the finger exposes the shiny blue paint still present on the block, so I'm hoping it'll clean up nice for my install on Saturday.

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Started out this morning at 7am....and managed to pull the nasty SL6 in my Valiant, then degreased and pressure washed the engine bay and the 69 Charger SL6 that I'm swapping in. Got all that done by about 3pm.

Then installed the new engine...hooked up the transmission crossmember, exhaust, emergency brake, driveshaft and shift linkage.

Tomorrow I'll try to hook up the electricals and hoses, etc and try to fire her up!

So far, only a few bits were not direct swaps between the original 76 engine/trans and the 69 engine trans. First, the shift arm on the transmission is not the same on both cars (had to swap them out), second, the motor mounts are different (no prob....swapped them out too) and last...the 69 exhaust manifold has a deeper "skirt" (i think that's a good way to describe it) which makes the exhaust mount about an inch and a half lower. I kind of had to rig that for the short term, but I'll take it to an exhaust shop soon and have them shorten the pipe some.

Here's a shot from where I called it quits this evening.

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That style of air cleaner assembly was used thru '69, not in '70, and the "Charger 225" just means it came out of a Dodge rather than a Plymouth (Plymouths from '62-'69 got an otherwise identical decal that said "Super 225"). It does not indicate what model car the engine came from, nor does it signify any particular or special version of the 225. The '69 air cleaner has a nipple on the underside of the baseplate, which is where the throttle plate anti-ice system draws its air supply. Cap this nipple securely if that system is not used.

No need. The "Charger 225" (and "Super 225") and air cleaner service instruction decals are all available new, in excellent quality and very inexpensively.
This part doesn't make sense. All slant-6 exhaust manifolds have the same "drop" dimension of the central collector. There have been reports of some slight angle differences of the outlet flange, but not of its height. The only such height difference is found between a 198 or a 225 and a 170, because the 170 block is ~1 inch shorter than the 198/225 block, so the head sits about an inch lower, so the exhaust manifold sits about an inch lower. But from your block casting numbers we had already determined your block is the high (198/225) item.

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

Thanks for all the info.

The throttle plate anti-ice system further verifies that it is a 69 engine then....because it is present on this engine.

And...the initial story was that it came out of a Dart....so your description of how all the Dodges had the "Charger 225" on the air cleaner would tend to support this as well.

So, it's looking more and more like this is a 69 Dodge Dart engine.

I'm working out of my home office today and am ducking out to the garage every so often to hook up more misc connections, hoses, belts, etc to finish the engine install. I just came inside from installing a new thermostat (I think the spring goes in towards the block...at least that's how I installed it)

The good news is that most everthing is hooking up fairly well, but there are a few challenges here and there.

One of them is the power steering pump. On top of it, there is a female fitting where one of the hoses connects, but the hose that came with the engine/pump also has a female fitting. Is there a male/male fitting that connects them?

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Correct.
On the steering pump? Or on the steering gearbox? Easiest fix using parts on hand would be to use the car's original P/S pump and hose.

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Sorry....typo.....I meant steering box.

I looked at the one that was on the car and I don't like the condition that it's in....it's been sitting for too long and is too brittle for my liking.

Autozone has one for under $20 with the correct fitting on it. They'll have to order it, but that's no bigee. I should have it in my hands tomorrow.

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Thought so. Very easy, cheap fix. See this thread. The adaptor you need has 1/4" male SAE threads on one end and 5/16" male O-ring on the other. Should be this item (№ 6400-04-05). Either pick it up at the link or jot down that number and take the adaptor (or number) and both P/S pressure hoses to your nearest hydraulic line shop (use the Yellow Pages or the web to find it) and confirm for them that you need an adaptor that has the male threads of the steering box end of the '76 hose on one end, and the male threads to accept the steering box end of the '69 hose on the other end. You will also need an appropriate oilproof O-ring and an appropriate washer for the end of the adaptor that screws into the steering box. Should be an easy and cheap item to get.
Stay outta Autozone (poor quality parts).

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Too many people who were born on third base actually believe they've hit a triple.

So if Autozone parts are poor where do you sugest i find good parts?

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I actually meant to say OReilly's, not Autozone (these 80 hour weeks I've been working are messing with my head)

That having been said, I've been buying from parts houses for 30 years and you're right, a lot of the quality is bad and becoming worse, due to the fact that they're buying more and more from China.

However...if you know specifically what to ask for and which brands to avoid, then you can usually get some parts with a degree of success at the big parts houses.

I have a preference for OReillys because my local shop has knowledgeable counter people and the nearest NAPA is to much of a hike from where I live. But, I honestly don't know if OReillys stocks better parts than Autozone...my guess is....since they're both big corporate shops, that they're both buying/selling a fair amount of junk.

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I've been working long days lately and usually have about an hour when I get home before I loose the sunlight, to work on the Valiant (in the driveway).

So...I've been pecking away at getting the new engine hooked up. And I've used the forum search engine a few times to verify that things were hooked up right.

This evening, I reached critical mass and poured a bit of gas down the carburetor and turned the key....and she came to life, and actually idled fairly well until the gas ran out.

At that point I lost my sunlight, so I called it a day. I'm working all day tomorrow, but I'll have some time on Sunday to get her running on a more permanent basis.

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Spent another couple of hours connecting this and that on the Valiant today and tried to fire it up again.

She fired right up with gas poured down the carb, but wouldn't pump gas throught the fuel pump.

So...I pulled the fuel tank line from the pump and poured as much gas down the line as it would take....hooked the line back up.....pushed the pedal to the floor once....let up.....turned the key....and I'll be damned if that sucker didn't just fire right up and idle like a little gentleman.....just like it had been driven yesterday!

I'm starting to see, first hand, why so many people love these little engines. They're a lot like the Model A four bangers that I've messed with over the years....they'll just come right to life after years of sitting.

So....I still have a few things to do before the maiden voyage. While it was idling, I noticed a fine little jet of gas squirting out of the rubber fuel line near the filter....gotta change that out....and I might as well put a new filter on it while I'm at it.

I have yet to snug down the motor mount bolts....gotta take care of that....and a few other nitpicky little details, but the maiden voyage isn't far off!

I love slant sixes.

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Do the Fuel line mod.

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