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 Post subject: Booooooooog!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2002 5:42 pm 
I have built a 225 with ported head new guides stock size valves, .100 milled off, a 252 Comp cam , .435 lift 110 lobe seperation, MP header 2.5 inch tailpipe, Offy intake 390 holley and comp cams springs. I also have 3.50 gears auto trans stock converter.

This is what i have done.
Changed the vacume csecondaries spring to all posibilities. No big change.

I installed a 50cc accelerator pump which made it worse so I figuer its rich in stead of lean. But it doesn't black smoke.

I think it's my stock converter. It feels like it up against it off the line.

What it does is boogs off the line to about 3000rpm in first gear I don't notice it in second or third.

I run 17.46 with it booging like this If I could lose the boog I think I could get in the 16's.

1975 Dart Sport weighes 3150 with out me add 200 for me.
thanks for any help


melam@nxs.net


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 Post subject: Re: Booooooooog!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:49 pm 
What kind of manifold vacuum do you have at idle?What's the initial spark advance? What's the total spark advance? Describe the advance curve?Vacuum advance? Check the idle speed screw. At curb idle , do you have the transfer ports/slots exposed? You may have to pull the carb, turn it over and look up the bore to see what I'am talking about. If they are exposed, you're running on the main jets at idle. Not good. This also gives you an erroneous initial advance reading, if the vacuum advance works off ported vacuum.
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:
: I have built a 225 with ported head new guides
: stock size valves, .100 milled off, a 252
: Comp cam , .435 lift 110 lobe seperation, MP
: header 2.5 inch tailpipe, Offy intake 390
: holley and comp cams springs. I also have
: 3.50 gears auto trans stock converter.
:
: This is what i have done.
: Changed the vacume csecondaries spring to all
: posibilities. No big change.
:
: I installed a 50cc accelerator pump which made
: it worse so I figuer its rich in stead of
: lean. But it doesn't black smoke.
:
: I think it's my stock converter. It feels like
: it up against it off the line.
:
: What it does is boogs off the line to about
: 3000rpm in first gear I don't notice it in
: second or third.
:
: I run 17.46 with it booging like this If I
: could lose the boog I think I could get in
: the 16's.
:
: 1975 Dart Sport weighes 3150 with out me add
: 200 for me.
: thanks for any help



fglmopar@aol.com


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 Post subject: Re: Booooooooog!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:28 am 
Quote:
: What kind of manifold vacuum do you have at
: idle? What's the initial spark advance?
: What's the total spark advance? Describe the
: advance curve? Vacuum advance? Check the idle
: speed screw. At curb idle , do you have the
: transfer ports/slots exposed? You may have
: to pull the carb, turn it over and look up
: the bore to see what I'm talking about. If
: they are exposed, you're running on the main
: jets at idle. Not good. This also gives you
: an erroneous initial advance reading, if the
: vacuum advance works off ported vacuum.


I have the initial advance at 10 degs. I have run it on up to 14 degs that does not affect the bog. I have a stock electronic ignition with vacuum advance. I put some paint marks to check the dist advance. It seems to advance about 10 degs more just after I crack the throttle then 10 degs more a tad past that for a total of 30 degs or 34 degs respectively. I haven’t tried checking the vacuum it seems to pull the dist around good though. I don't know what you’re talking about on the carb. Could you clarify that a little more. I have a mild set up, did it to avoid buying a converter, budget you know, but now I wish I would have just waited till I could afford it. Any help is greatly appreciated.


melam@nxs.net


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 Post subject: Re: Booooooooog!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 5:23 pm 
Sometimes, due to a radical cam, late cam timing, even excessively rich or lean fuel mixture you can end up with poor maifold vacuum. Sometimes, poor manifold vacuum is due to poor valve to seat seal, poor guide to stem seal, poor manifold to head seal, even weak valve springs. In any case, poor manifold vacuum will tend to slow the throttle response. How much manifold vacuum do you have, and at what RPM? If you don't have a vacuum guage, you should get one, and study the instructions. In the hands of an expert, you'd be amazed at what one can deduce about the condition of an engine.
After adjusting the carb to the lowest smoothest, highest 'vacuumed' curb idle, remove the carb, and turn it upside down. With the throttle plates(s) closed as far as the curb idle screw will allow, the only holes visible in the throttle bore should be the ones for the idle mixture screws. The transfer ports are the ones that are exposed by opening the throttles from curb idle position. They are a transition enrichment between idle and full cruise. One of them is your tap for your vacuum advance. If you see the transfer ports, you have screwed in the idle speed screw too far. You are inadvertently using them as a crutch to solve some other problem, such as poor manifold vacuum, poor mixture, etc.
Also, if the vacuum advance port is exposed and you failed to plug the vacuum advance hose when setting initial spark advance, you will get an inaccurate reading on your initial spark advance.
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: I have the intial advance at 10 degs. I have
: run it on up to 14 degs that does not effect
: the boog. I have a stock electronic ignition
: with vacume advance. I put some paint marks
: to check the dist advance. It seems to
: advance about 10 degs more just after I
: crack the throtle then 10 degs more a tad
: past that. For a total of 30 degs or 34 degs
: respectively. I havn't tryed checking the
: vacume it seems to pull the dist around good
: though. I don't know what your talking about
: on the carb. Could you clarify that a little
: more. I have a mild set up did it to avoid
: buying a converter,budget you know, but now
: I wish I would have just waited till I could
: aford it. Any help is greatly appreatiated.



fglmopar@aol.com


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 Post subject: Re: Off the line Bog
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 6:07 pm 


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 Post subject: Re: Booooooooog!!!!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 8:13 pm 
Quote:
: Sometimes, due to a radical cam, late cam
: timing, even excessively rich or lean fuel
: mixture you can end up with poor maifold
: vacuum. Sometimes, poor manifold vacuum is
: due to poor valve to seat seal, poor guide
: to stem seal, poor manifold to head seal,
: even weak valve springs. In any case, poor
: manifold vacuum will tend to slow the
: throttle response. How much manifold vacuum
: do you have, and at what RPM? If you don't
: have a vacuum guage, you should get one, and
: study the instructions. In the hands of an
: expert, you'd be amazed at what one can
: deduce about the condition of an engine.
: After adjusting the carb to the lowest
: smoothest, highest 'vacuumed' curb idle,
: remove the carb, and turn it upside down.
: With the throttle plates(s) closed as far as
: the curb idle screw will allow, the only
: holes visible in the throttle bore should be
: the ones for the idle mixture screws. The
: transfer ports are the ones that are exposed
: by opening the throttles from curb idle
: position. They are a transition enrichment
: between idle and full cruise. One of them is
: your tap for your vacuum advance. If you see
: the transfer ports, you have screwed in the
: idle speed screw too far. You are
: inadvertently using them as a crutch to
: solve some other problem, such as poor
: manifold vacuum, poor mixture, etc.
: Also, if the vacuum advance port is exposed and
: you failed to plug the vacuum advance hose
: when setting initial spark advance, you will
: get an inaccurate reading on your initial
: spark advance.


Thanks for the responces I will try these things I think I understand what your talking about. I just have to decide where to get a converter probably Midwest.


melam@nxs.net


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 Post subject: Re: Booo..what i did.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 12:08 am 
Quote:
: Thanks for the responces I will try these
: things I think I understand what your
: talking about. I just have to decide where
: to get a converter probably Midwest.


I have a 3000 stall Houges converter and low gearset 904 and 3.23's. I had a little bog but nothing big. I couldnt get rid of it. If I loaded it hard on the converter I could get it to take off good but it was SLOW to get from 2500 to 3200RPMS..right after that it would wack over to 5500 in no time. I advanced my cam 4 deg and I have lots of low end now but the car lost everything above 5000rpms.

I could pull some stumps out but over all I think i made the car slower. I will put the cam back and pop in some 3.91's or 4.11's to make it jump :)


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 Post subject: Re: Booo..what i did.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 8:23 pm 
Quote:
: I have a 3000 stall Houges converter and low
: gearset 904 and 3.23's. I had a little bog
: but nothing big. I couldnt get rid of it. If
: I loaded it hard on the converter I could
: get it to take off good but it was SLOW to
: get from 2500 to 3200RPMS..right after that
: it would wack over to 5500 in no time. I
: advanced my cam 4 deg and I have lots of low
: end now but the car lost everything above
: 5000rpms.


I have 3.50 gears and i'm sure my stock converter is most of my problem. I should get the new one from midwest monday or tuesday. I'll let you know. Nice to here from you cralt.
:
: I could pull some stumps out but over all I
: think i made the car slower. I will put the
: cam back and pop in some 3.91's or 4.11's to
: make it jump :)


melam@nxs.net


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