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 Post subject: Vapor lock
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 7:26 pm 
Hi Everyone,
I'm having what I believe is serious vapor lock problems with my 1979 Dodge D150 truck with 318 V8 and air conditioning. I've owned it for 3-1/2 years now. Anytime the outside air temp is over 80ºF it has this problem. It just seems to run out of fuel on heavy throttle, or anytime when just driving around town. If I back off on the throttle and wait it will start to run again as the fuel catches up. If I hold the throttle to the floor it will surge and jerk as little pulses of fuel make its way into the carburetor.

Has todays fuel changed this much to have such a bad vapor lock problem? Has anyone else experienced such problems with their vehicles? I'm here in Minnesota, many of you are in warmer climates.

I rebuilt the engine 2 years ago looking for any problems but found nothing except a worn timing chain. The truck has a replacement aftermarket radiator in it. I had it checked at a radiator shop after I could not find anything wrong with the radiator, they told me it is good. However the temperature gauge reads way high on warm days too. This could be because of the vapor lock problem and running lean on fuel when traveling down the highway. Lean fuel condition will make more heat, correct?

This truck has no vapor/fuel return line (from engine compartment to fuel tank) like they added in the 1980's. I would like to add one except this truck has factory dual fuel tanks and adding a return line would require a expensive 6-way fuel selector valve in place of the 3-way valve already on it. I checked for rusted or leaking suction line but find no problem. Last year I did find the supply hose connected to the fuel pump was cracked and leaking air, however with this it would not run at heavy throttle in cool weather either.

This problem has existed all 3+ years I owned the truck. Same symptoms both before and after engine rebuild. Yes, I installed a new fuel pump too, plus tried a different one last week, still same vapor lock problem.

The steel fuel line runs kind of close to the exhaust system up near the engine, I added some insulation over the fuel line in this areas to keep exhaust heat away from the fuel line. It was cloudy and cooler today so only once did I notice it running short of fuel and this was in town after I had shut off the enigne and restarted and drove away 5 minutes later.

Oh yea, this problem is after the engine is thoroughly warmed up. Never with a cold / cool enigne or on a cool day.

I did find service bulletins for early 1980's thru 87 or so vintage Chryco cars and trucks about a driveability improvement package that consisted of installing a electric in-tank fuel pump in addition to the mechanical fuel pump. Also found a bulletin for a truck to add a big fancy vapor separator in the engine compartment by the fuel pump.

Perhaps my problem is because of changes in fuel during the past 20 years??? Any ideas appreciated.

cfield@ll.net


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 Post subject: Re: Vapor lock
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 10:00 pm 
Quote:
: Hi Everyone,
: I'm having what I believe is serious vapor lock
: problems with my 1979 Dodge D150 truck with
: 318 V8 and air conditioning. I've owned it
: for 3-1/2 years now. Anytime the outside air
: temp is over 80ºF it has this problem. It
: just seems to run out of fuel on heavy
: throttle, or anytime when just driving
: around town. If I back off on the throttle
: and wait it will start to run again as the
: fuel catches up. If I hold the throttle to
: the floor it will surge and jerk as little
: pulses of fuel make its way into the
: carburetor.
:
: Has todays fuel changed this much to have such
: a bad vapor lock problem? Has anyone else
: experienced such problems with their
: vehicles? I'm here in Minnesota, many of you
: are in warmer climates.
:
: I rebuilt the engine 2 years ago looking for
: any problems but found nothing except a worn
: timing chain. The truck has a replacement
: aftermarket radiator in it. I had it checked
: at a radiator shop after I could not find
: anything wrong with the radiator, they told
: me it is good. However the temperature gauge
: reads way high on warm days too. This could
: be because of the vapor lock problem and
: running lean on fuel when traveling down the
: highway. Lean fuel condition will make more
: heat, correct?
:
: This truck has no vapor/fuel return line (from
: engine compartment to fuel tank) like they
: added in the 1980's. I would like to add one
: except this truck has factory dual fuel
: tanks and adding a return line would require
: a expensive 6-way fuel selector valve in
: place of the 3-way valve already on it. I
: checked for rusted or leaking suction line
: but find no problem. Last year I did find
: the supply hose connected to the fuel pump
: was cracked and leaking air, however with
: this it would not run at heavy throttle in
: cool weather either.
:
: This problem has existed all 3+ years I owned
: the truck. Same symptoms both before and
: after engine rebuild. Yes, I installed a new
: fuel pump too, plus tried a different one
: last week, still same vapor lock problem.
:
: The steel fuel line runs kind of close to the
: exhaust system up near the engine, I added
: some insulation over the fuel line in this
: areas to keep exhaust heat away from the
: fuel line. It was cloudy and cooler today so
: only once did I notice it running short of
: fuel and this was in town after I had shut
: off the enigne and restarted and drove away
: 5 minutes later.
:
: Oh yea, this problem is after the engine is
: thoroughly warmed up. Never with a cold /
: cool enigne or on a cool day.
:
: I did find service bulletins for early 1980's
: thru 87 or so vintage Chryco cars and trucks
: about a driveability improvement package
: that consisted of installing a electric
: in-tank fuel pump in addition to the
: mechanical fuel pump. Also found a bulletin
: for a truck to add a big fancy vapor
: separator in the engine compartment by the
: fuel pump.
:
: Perhaps my problem is because of changes in
: fuel during the past 20 years??? Any ideas
: appreciated.


Hey, I ve been fighting that problem in my '76 W200 for years. I certainly don't have any good answers. My truck has been getting progressively worse, to the point I added a Carter electric pump to help the weak mechanical one. It works better, but it's not my preferred method. I was beginning to suspect a worn fuel pump cam lobe(400ci2bbl), because I had changed out the pushrod and the fuel pump with no improvement. The pump suction, at the pump inlet, seemed very weak. Mine wouldn't even fill the carburetor when dead cold. Regardless, I dropped the tank, augered out the steel lines with a speedo cable, and replaced all the rubber lines. It is very curious that your totally different application shares the same problem. I've also heard of at least one other Mopar truck(360engine) with fuel delivery problems. Let me know if you find out anything.

fglmopar@aol.com


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