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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:44 pm 
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Mr Neckerson verfys these numbers but i cant buy a bucket of steam to clean my parts Sandy could not ship me a bucket maybe you can . Thanks Ron Parker :D










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I am so mad that i just spent my 1000k on a slant head when this thing was just down at the wreaking yard! :lol: So if i want ore than 3 psi boost i should go from a 1.5 " pully to a 10' on the exaust side right? :?:

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Who is selling buckets of steam :?: I need about 247. do i get a bulk discount :wink:

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I have bottled hot air, in 2 flavours: northern and southern (or yankee and dixie). :lol: souther smells like canada (sorry sandy, hehehehe, were it sez canada you can read argentina) but gives you maximum "seat of the pants" feel. Northern one is good for driving power robbing devices such as alternators, PS, PB, etc... You need a big exhaust for the dixie flavour and a big hood scoop (max frontal area) for the other one

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not the same as a bucket of steam, but... :lol:

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Steve Chastain's books on hobby foundries are interesting. While SC could probably make a head casting, he has poured several heads for busted antique equipment, it's well beyond my reach. It's fun to read the books and see how it might be done. He builds nearly all of his equipment and shows how you can burn used motor oil to melt alloy. The math is included so that you could rescale the furnace to be larger. Casting is an ancient art. His book on making pistons demonstrates that this really can be done at home. Chastain is a rare mechanical/metalurgical genius. You can get the books from Lindsay, and maybe cast some ash trays.


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I will take a truckload of steam....If you sell it half price :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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I'll take the dixie baby :!: loud and abnoxiuos only way to go :twisted: :twisted:

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Well guys, need to go take up smoking...then I'll be casting up some "Slant Six " ashtrays. See y'all on e-bay! :lol:

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If you could pour your own head castings, assuming you were skilled in making patterns and achieved a low scrap rate, you would still face a lot of custom machining. This work can be done by many individuals across the USA, but not many are willing to do the job for free, as the hobbiest is. Melting the quantity of metal is relatively easy science, we've all melted aluminum cooking utensils in a cook fire by accident. Alloy melts at relatively low temps. Melting 35 pounds of allow for a head casting would be something to see. Iron is another matter, iron melts at 2600F, you'd be best sticking with alloy.

If you have the time and basic aptitude you might be able to get up to speed in a couple of years of running a home furnace in a basement or in a shed behind the barn. Start by making the typical ornamental art like crosses and such. But as Chastain says, if you're stupid then foundry work aint for you, months in a burn recovery unit is a likely prospect. With common sense and patience, no short cuts, you can do this safely.
Some high school shop classes teach this skill. You usually pour the alloy into "green sand", which looks like ordinary sand but has a small amount of clay or other binders added. In some parts of the country this sand is everywhere. Green sand is definitely Old School. Some home foundries have had success with Lost Foam and other newer techniques.

The best scrap to use is from junked automotive castings, especially used pistons. But you have break the pistons to remove the steel struts. It's a lot of work, Chastain demonstrates that you can build nearly all of the equipment yourself. He was inspired by his dentist father who used this skill to make dentures. With the rise of China these old industrial arts are slowly disappearing.

Someone with basic machinist skills would probably have the best time of this as you'll have to describe in details, exactly the machine work that you want to have done to the raw castings, unless you can do that job yourself too. Probably many folks in the group can learn to do this. I'm sure you can, but it's a labor of love, and everyone will think you're a genious, when you mostly followed the instructions and practiced until you got it right.


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Hey!! I could use forged diesel pistons,....and have a forged aluminum head. Sweet.
I could get alot of those diesel pistons. It doesn't take many pistons from a 1066 International to make 35 pounds!.......
How about some heads from a couple of junk imports?
It would take much more heat though........I'll have to think about that.

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Since this topic has gone from serious to ridiculous I might as well put in my $.02. I like slant sixes cause they are what they are ... cheap, strong and underrated. And that makes them extremely cool.
When you do some mods to your slant, and race somebody with a V8, or a tuner car and win.... Whoa, you might as well just slap them in the face. And that my friends is worth the price of admission.
I'm always looking for ways to make my slants go faster. But using modified stock parts (including an iron head with that stupid valve cover) with a 4 bbl and some headers. I would be in the market for an improved head that looks stock externally, but keep your slant six looking like a slant six. That is what maintains that "slap factor" :) . .... Gary V.

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do a search on google and there are all kinds of people making ornate things in their backyards with their own forges and foundries...

Tons of detailed spec sheets and photos...

Gathering the scrap and building a contraption to melt it is the easy part...

Designing the head, designing the mold.. Whoa that is a lifetime of spare time right there unless you have someone with a lot of experience want to spend countless hours for free helping you.

And then there is the whole debate about what to do with a head... Should it be a carbon copy of the Cast Slant head? Should it be a Dual OHC head with 4 valves per cylinder? Oval Port head that would allow all out performance?

needless to say this is not something easily done in a backyard over a six pack


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we're going to need more beer.

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OK OK.....but beware how tight a fit this is in an early A
So, I guess Jaguar XK heads will fit too? :D I always heard the Toyota six was based on that motor. I'm IN! I'll take mine from a series I E-type. I wanna get the extra carbs to fiddle with (make that a day and a half of tuning, plus extra 12-pack.) I'm sure the junkyards are full of 'em.

I hear those buckets of steam will keep the dixie dancers away.:shock:
Just watch your step in the junkyards!

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You might be able to cast something as large as a inline six head, but it's pretty iffy. You might make something that large, but few would have the discipline to work out the bugs. It really is like a recipe, but if you mess up you might have to chissel a chunk of solidified metal from your crucible. Once you built good patterns and mastered the technique you could pour good quality castings fairly consistently. Many of the best "how to" books were published many decades ago. Most of the foundry workers never understood the science behind the skill.

Even if you only cast a chunk of alloy billet you would save a bunch over buying the metal wholesale. Many alloy dealers won't deal in small quantities of metal. Try to purchase less than a rail car of coke :)

Get those diesel pistons if you can. In one of Chastain's books he displays a 165 pound pile of ingots that he cast from junk pistons. "Pistonium" is the best metal. The forged pistons are top quality alloy that would cost much if you purchased the metal wholesale. Some alloy has high silicon content that makes it hard to machine, forged doesn't. Iron is common if you have a hankering for rusty metal, iron machines well too.

Alloy is caustic and will combine with impurities, you can burn most inpurities from iron. If you can get coke cast iron might be the best way to go. If you're the type who could disappear for months at a time to the furnace in the barn a foundry might be for you. You can master 1940s production techniques with a hobby furnace, something as sophisticated as the Ardun heads is within reach.


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